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Clips please!

63 here, no worries, there's a bunch of us antiques in the neighborhood :) You've got​ a fun toy there in Helix, it'll be good...

Lots of compression, not too​ much gain or top end. And chops from hell.

Yeah, but there​ are limits​ to what you can do. Like if you want one at 1/4 notes and the other slightly longer, like doubled kind of, no can do AFAIK. You can do cool polyrhythmic stuff with different beat values, but not that.

Ok, he gets the holy cr@p award of the day in my book. Never heard of him, but my my my, dude can play. On very very quick initial listens, I actually like his tones on Extraction more than Introspection. But it's all good.

You could also have different note values for each.

^^^ This, with the addendum that for me it's a much lower priority than a lot of other things. That may not be true for everyone, which is what IdeaScale is for, sorting priorities based on user demand.

That's a shame, didn't know. Does he gig around Boston?

Guys, thinking you don't like the idea is fine, but no need to shoot the messenger.

Agree 100% with this, well thought through.

Or just record Helix direct, treat the cab as a live thing only.

Interesting thread. I understand the desire to prevent accidental or malicious modifications or theft, but I can't think of another audio device with that feature except an actual computer. Am I just naive?

Whether you particularly like the tone or not, do you hear anything like the "Fractal flavor" I'm talking about? As I said, it's not that I think it's the most amazing tone ever, just interested in what that flavor might be. I'll check out Fremen's patch when I can, thanks for the heads up.

Another angle, one I'm sure you're​ aware of, but it's still valid. In a recording it's more obvious that there's a finite max level you can hit, but the same is pretty much true live. For any one thing to shine through, it has to not be obscured by other stuff in the same frequency ranges. All band members paying attention to parts and tones that don't conflict pays big dividends for all. IOW, your tone may not be the (whole) problem.

Open a ticket for sure, unless there already is one. Line 6 should know about this.

Thanks for the kind words Will, appreciated :) jrrjr68 and I are sorted though, no hard feelings. He didn't know me, I understand why he might have thought what he did. We're remarkably civil over here usually, trolling expectations from the general internetz mostly don't apply. Don't even know where I left that flamethrower... Carry on :)

FWIW, I've been doing the modulated delay thing lately as part of general ambience, maybe some similarity to that Plex Detune. I didn't hear tons of detune type stuff at the point in that clip I pointed to though.

Funny you mention the ENGL Monkey, I've been messing with it nearly full time lately, really liking the sounds I'm getting. They're somewhat atypical for me, but very cool. My patches w it are part of a larger set of experiments with Master on 10 (usually), pretty low Drive (not generally trying for tons of distortion), often low or no Sag, Ripple, and Hum, and very high Bias. The amps all sound different run that way of course, but the ENGL really did catch my attention. It's not the only one I've liked, but I seem to have gotten stuck playing it for a while now, in a good way. And you're right, it holds together well with pretty much distortion. Because Master is so high, even my most gain-y snapshot has Drive pretty low in absolute terms (not at my Helix to say numbers), but with that Master setting it's pretty sustain-y, with lots of overtones and a good bit of aggression, and a touch of that Litigator nice-ness too. You high gain guys might dispute most of those adjectives, but relative to me they're all true. Fun stuff. I like my Helix :) That said, at least the tones I've been getting don't remind me too much of that Axe tone. I wasn't shooting for it though, just looking for neighborhoods I dig.

Interesting Brad. Guess I (and anyone else who's interested) should trying getting that sort of tone from the German Mahadeva then. Haven't played much w that one I think. Can anyone who has say if it has that Fractal-ness I'm talking about inherently, or can be made to have it? Did my description of that flavor ring any bells w anyone, or am I just babbling?

I dig the KWB, great OD, one of my faves.

My no-worries reply was true, but didn't communicate what I'm getting at very well. The Helix UI and connectivity are really great, and there's always going to be enough difference in guitars, players, personal taste, and goals to make genuine better-ness a pretty squishy target. That said, in that clip in some others I've posted about, I hear some sort of common Fractal character, and it's kind of neat. Words aren't great for this, but it's a ballsy but very produced, polished, air-brushed kind of high gain sound, Penthouse Marshall, say. It may not be the only Fractal flavor, but it's one thing I've heard their boxes do well. I'm curious what it's composed of, and what tools Helix has to get near there. Not because it's a better tone, but because it's cool.

I'll try it, but right around 5:30 he hasn't turned anything else on, just the Mark IV, and my impression is that that amp in Helix doesn't sound like that. Don't get me wrong, I like the Helix Mesas (also the ones in Amplitube), I just haven't heard that kind of tone from them. But then again, I probably didn't look specifically for such a thing either. I'll take a run in that direction when I can, see what comes out.

Gives "firmware" a whole new meaning. Ouch.

No problem, it's all good :)

Not trolling, honest, just interested in some of the textures I hear the Axe do that don't remind me of what I get out of my Helix. There's a kind of density and compactness to it that's pretty cool in my book, even though I'm generally a lower gain guy than that. In general I don't consider it disrespectful or whatever to bring up tones by other modelers, any more than bringing up non-modeler tones. They're all sounds people might be interested in, and/or might have ideas on achieving. For the record, I'm super glad I have a Helix, great tool, but I also dig some Axe and Kemper stuff. I think you'll find that's true of lots of folks here, to the point where they actually own more than one of them. I would too if I could, and I may some day.