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No problem. I guess if you placed the overdrives in the HX send to amp, that would place your overdrives after your compressor block. I think most people do it the way you're currently doing it (overdrives before HX), but others may chime in with other suggestions.

It entirely depends on what you prefer. Putting your pedals in one of the HX effects loops is handy, as you can then move that block around anywhere in your chain. I personally run my overdrives before the HX and then put my mod effects in an HX loop. I also use external loopers to turn on/off my external pedals, but that's another story.

Ah, makes sense. That’s great, thanks for that. I’ll give that a try.

I'm a little bit of a noob when it comes to MIDI, but have so far, seemingly been successful when seeing it up for presets and snapshots. But I'm now having a bit of trouble when using CC Toggle on a footswitch. I'm using two Morningstar ML5's, one in a HX loop, and one for the front end, overdrives, etc. When setting up a CC Toggle on a footswitch (which I have set for momentary), it seems to activate the same loops in both ML5's, instead of just activating a loop in my preferred ML5. Example - I want an overdrive turned on for ML5 (1) loop A, which it does, but it turns loop A on, in the ML5 (2) that's running in the loop. Is there a way to just let the CC Toggle control one of the ML5's, instead of activating both simultaneously?

I set the (Bank CC00 - off) to CC64. And use that bank for all snapshots. Hope this helps.

Hi. I'm running a Morningstar ML5 (pedal loop switcher) https://morningstarengineering.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/ML5/pages/491730/Manual along side my HXFX. I'm using my HX in 4CM, and using the ML5 to control a few of my outboard pedals. My question is, is there a way to run some of the pedals in front of the amp and the HX, and then some in the effects loop? The ML5 only has 1-IN and 1-Out. But could one of the loops in the ML5 be used to split this up somehow? Thanks.

I agree. I never notice it with my other pedals in the HX loops. The loops are very good imo. I meant more with the Digitech Drop, as it’s obviously a little more noticeable with a pedal like that.

Yeah, that’s exactly why I got the ML5 looper. Because I forgot to turn it on/off a few times, lol.

Sorry, not sure about the talk box. But I agree, the latency is not awful, but noticeable to the player. I understand what you’re saying regarding utilising your current set up, and I tried to do the same with my HX, which has fewer loops than the Helix I believe. But now I use the HX loops for pedals that I want in the FX loop of my amp, and then run pedals like the Drop, etc into my Morningstar ML5, which goes into the front end. Really does open up the possibilities, but I get what mean regarding your current setup.

I use an HX effects, but hopefully my input will still be relevant. I’ve seen others comment that the loop can cause noise. But I must say, that while it creates a little bit of noise when I use it, it doesn’t sound as bad as what you’re getting. Mines very minor and certainly doesn’t stand out at stage volume, or in a band mix. I tried using the Drop in the fx loop, but it seemed that it added too much latency. I now run it into the front end of the HX, but have it controlled by a midi Controlled pedal looper, so it automatically turns on for my preferred preset. While also not using up a block. I’ve never had to use a noise gate, but have read the noise gate can suck tone. The hard gate doesn’t seem to impact the tone as much, going by what I’ve read.

Great stuff. Glad it worked. Nice one.

Ok. No problem. If you go to Command Centre, you will see the 6 "lightning bolts". Click on one of the bolts and it should say "command none". Click on that and scroll down to Ext amp, and again click on it. In there it should give you the options of - Tip - Ring, etc. But should also give you the option of - None 1 - None 2, etc. That might be where your amp channels are at. You can also set multiple, different Instants per snapshot. Or, as I use it, one Instant, but change it's setting per snapshot. Example - using 1 Instant - Snapshot 1, set for Tip, hit save. Snapshot 2, (same instant) set for ring, hit save. You can then use just one instant in the same preset, but across snapshots it will change for you. With your cable and amp, you may need to add more Instants per snapshot. But the "None" option doesn't exist on the Ext switch, but does in instants. So like I say, this maybe where your amp is at.

Are you using the channel switching with Instants, or setting up an EXT switch?

I’ll be interested to hear how you get on using The Drop in the fx loop. I just recently tried running mine in a pedal looper that I have connected to the front end of my HX effects, using Midi. I couldn’t really hear any difference at bedroom-ish levels. But I risked it and tried it out at a gig on Saturday. While it worked ok, and latency wasn’t an issue, it did seem to have more of a chorusing/phasing sound. But I’m still not 100% sure until I use it more at gig levels. But I really want it to work as per-preset, as you probably know, it can be a little embarrassing if you forget to turn it on/off.

That's a good point about using the learn function. That may work, but I'm not sure. I used Instant commands, (and I'm not sure if this is the right way), but I used Bank/Programme - MIDI Channel 2 Bank CC00 64 Bank 0032 0 Programme - for which ever pedal set up I have in the ML5. 1-2-3, etc. It's best to programme your pedal order in the ML5 first, before you set the HX Commands. Only drawback with the ML5 is you can't swap the pedal order. So It's best to programme your pedal order in the ML5 first, before you set the HX Commands, etc.

No problem. Yes, I think you should be able to do what you've pictured. I'm not 100% about midi triggering the Whammy, but I'm sure someone else will have more knowledge on that one. Yeah, that's exactly what I do. I have only have two pedals now that are connected to the ML5 (TC Quintessence Harmony and Way Huge Pork Loin), so I'm not getting the most out of it, atm. But at one time I had 4 connected to the ML5 (all through HX loop), and would turn could turn them all on/off between snapshots, all controlled via the HX.

I agree with Silverhead. When I first got my HXFX, I had many pedals that I planned to use with it, but once I started getting familiar with the HX's effects, I started ditching more and more of my pedals. With the pedals that I still use, I run them into a Morningstar ML5 looper, which the HX controls via midi. I use this with snapshots and it works great.

I use a similar set up to robberns, but with a One Spot CS6 to power the HX. Works great.

I think this thread - Might hopefully help.

Does the channel switching work with a TS cable?

TS cable. Works great. I'm sure you'll be happy with it. I used a Line 6 ex1 before, which was ok, but was fairly weak and brittle. The sweep always seemed a bit odd also. But the dunlop's just right.

I use the Dunlop mini (VP4?). Works perfectly.

https://youtu.be/hIi-CRLhpcU Good video to understand snapshot settings.

No, I don’t think you can. Good point though. Would be handy.

Yes it does. HX Effects with Blackstar Ht40, in my case.