jegler

I have the same rig as Dorr - I wanna know if one can connect an L2 with an L6 cable and switch between the DT and the L2...

NP bro - I was operating under the assumption that the DT DI operated like the other amp DI's that I've used: what goes in = what comes out. the Dream Rig has very complex routing and gain staging that precludes the LVM DI output to be used for my particular purposes. (I want it ALL - ALL the time!) Now that I'm better clued in on how the rig behaves, I know you're right about the LVM DI signal being the same as the POD's, but you can't use them at the same time due to the studio vs combo output issue so can't use it live with lots of patch changes. Oh well, got a sennheiser e609 to hang in front if I need to be in LVM and still get a consistent level to the board. Solved and moved on with just a smidge of residual resentment. Thanks for helping expand the knowledge base!

I have a DT Dream Rig that I've had now for about a year. The JTV had faulty circuitry such that after needing to send it back a third time to the factory I pitched a huge b*tch on the phone and they send me a brand new one. Works perfect, no troubles after 3 months (knock on wood). Tuning is rock solid. even with moderate tremolo use. (I keep the tremolo plate flush to the wood of the guitar just tight enough to keep flat when I bend the g string up a whole tone). I play with tens, and tune a half step down. I also glued a wooden shim in between the tremolo block and the wood of the guitar to prevent the whole bridge/trem plate from popping out of the bridge posts when changing strings. My DT shipped with the bias way cranked. I went through two sets of tubes within three months (back to the factory both times) before L6 service finally adjusted the bias correctly and now it's sweet as honey. By itself the POD is pretty simple to use, but as a switching hub for a dream rig, it can be a right motherf*cker untill you figure out all the gain staging options and configure it correctly for your exact setup. It's not at all intuitive, and there are some peculiarities that you have to put up with. The owners manuals are not at all comprehensive. The forums are an excellent source of help, better than tech support imho.

Just making sure here: This is true singularly but not at all true REALATIVELY speaking for the very reasons you outlined in your previous post. Sure a single patch in LVM with any old amp model using any voice on the DT will sound practically identical in tone/quality whether you listen through the DT DI or just a headphone out from the POD (provided you switch between "combo" and "studio" on the POD). It's when you try to level patches that use different voices on the DT that one runs into the insurmountable problem of wildly different relative levels on the DT DI as compared to the POD out and DT speaker out. And I guess I thought it was pretty reasonable to expect to use all the patches and voices and all the amp options with a $3000 Dream Rig. I mean, options are exactly what they're selling, right? So, yeah, that sucks, but I'll spend the money to work around it now that I have a fully formed picture of what's going on. Tech support was giving me maybe C+ grade information and you all filled in the rest. Thank you MD for your measured, scientific-type data regarding this. It was you alone who reassured me that my DT was not "broken", just displaying an unfortunate byproduct of the Dream Rig's complicated routing. Since Line6 is so stingy when it comes to documentation, it's up to all of us to iron it out, so lets have a group hug. Mmmmm. OK.

"seriously, why are you using the DI in LVM?" : wife and two kids. Seriously, At home LVM allows me to tinker with patches and sounds while monitoring with headphones. You can't get a good read on your D.I. sound while the speaker is rattling the room. My neighbors and family definitely don't want to hear test loops being cranked for an hour while tweaking patches. Live it allows you to get a good read on your signal to the board before you switch standby on and work on your stage volume. And sometimes I play gigs where full vol is just too loud. I prefer to play full vol with pre's because it sounds glorious, but I'm often stuck with LVM because all reasons above. As for your assertion that you can just swap out my rig's DI output by using the POD's out's (headphone or otherwise) that's absurd. When hooked to a DT via L6, the POD defaults to "combo amp" output which you should know makes all the outputs of the POD sound like sh*t. And of course switching to "Studio out" makes the DT sound like poo. I already know how to get a good sound out of the POD. This is a DT Dream Rig issue. And I can't figger why the experts are all like: "why in the world would you use LVM?" like I'm an idiot or something. Why wouldn't I want to use a feature on my $1000 amp. If the DT D.I. behaved like every other amp D.I. on the planet, I wouldn't have to bother with costly workarounds. So yeah, whatever, I'll use the DI in full vol. mode and I'm gonna buy a Sennheiser e609 Silver and hang it in front when I use LVM. But I shouldn't have to. I think we all learned a lot. Thanks for everyone's help and info. https://soundcloud.com/jordan_egler/let-go

Unfortunately there is not a way step through the 4 different voices of the DT via the POD and have the DI's output match the speaker's output. Regards, Will - Line 6 Support Well, does that settle it? I think it settles the question of whether my amp is f*cked up. The answer is: "yes, but not in a 'broken' sort of way. It's by design." I'm pretty sure if I'd have known this I wouldn't have bought the amp. I'm still gonna use it (unless someone wants to offer a fair price) and I actually think it sounds fantastic, but as a backend to a Dream Rig - no way. Woulda used the POD XLRs and a cheap powered monitor. Woulda saved myself many hundreds of dollars and countless wasted hours of twiddling.

no can do on switching the voices on the DT if no amp model is selected in the POD. As per my original concern: do any other DT users out there have the same issue in LVM? And I think this is also the case in full vol. mode, but I can't yet confirm. Maybe my amp is lollipoped up. Wouldn't surprise me. Can anyone else out there set up 4 identical LVM patches: set 1st patch to an amp model using voice 1, 2 to voice 2, 3 to voice 3, 4 to voice 4, level them any monitoring means (using only the model's gain and channel vol) and then test that relative output to the DT speaker, DI, and the POD headphone out? I swear to all that is sacred that I have these same 4 patches leveled coming out the DT speaker, level coming out the headphone out, but voice 3 is way off through the DI. I'm set up around my mixer board with the POD headout going to the mixer, the DT's DI going to the mixer, and sitting right next to the amp. Listen to the DT speaker: level Listen to the POD headout: level Listen to the DT DI: not level (voice 3 patch is way low) I've tried it with these amp models: Double J45 Divide Tread and also Bman P75 AC15 J800 System settings: (for all patches) Input 1: guitar+variax Input 2: variax Mixer block: Path A +0dB center panned Path B mute I also set every single patch to Class A/B Pentode and an identical JTV setting. POD mstr vol: 75% DT mstr vol: 75%

Just So could I set up 4 patches that don't use an amp in path A and have them correspond to the 4 voices on the DT? Those 4 stock DT voices are all perfectly usable. I'm gonna try that when I get a chance.

I was afraid of that. This is the situation: If I set up 4 identical patches:A,B,C,and D and set A to an amp that uses Voice I on the DT, set B for a Voice II model, C-III, D-IV and then I adjust those patches so that the volume is consistent as I listen to the speaker (only using the model's gain and channel volume [see system settings in previous post]), when I monitor those same patches through a mixer board feed of the DT's DI - the patch using Voicing III is way low, like half the volume, of the other three patches/voices. But the patches also are level when I listen through the POD's headphone out. So: level coming out of the speaker level coming out of the POD headphone out NOT level coming out of the DI As you might guess, if I set the patches' levels using just the DI as a monitor, patch voicing 3 is now twice as loud when played back with the speaker. I need to know how to set my DT Dream Rig so that patches using models employing different amp voicings are level across both the speaker and the DI of the DT. But it sounds like you're saying that's not possible. Did you create that PDF yourself? That's hardcore badass, man. A little more technical than I can absorb in one reading, tho. Mabey you can help if I get super specific: Using my dream rig system settings stated previously, I need to get my Divide 9/15 patch and my AC15 patch (both voicing 3) to jive up with my voicing 1,2 and 4 patches. I freakin love the sound of this amp. I love all 4 voices and especially the Voice 3 settings. I'm desperate. You say you're using path B cntr and muting A, if I swap those will that help? This is so f*cked I can't even believe it. Are there other DT users that are as pissed as I am? I'll get back to your PDF - it's way more than what Line 6 is providing as far as documentation...

Thanks, since I'm not too concerned with the JTV as a variable, I've been using a squeaky clean studio recording of an electric guitar looped on my iPod and fed into the Pod via 1/4" adapter. has about the same level as a guitar if you're @90% volume on the ipod. You're obviously getting pretty scientific, what do you know about the interplay between the Pod, the DT speaker and the DT D.I.? I'm still having major problems leveling patches so they're consistent between di and speaker. did a recent post here: http://line6.com/support/topic/9764-patch-level-discrepanciesdi-plz-read/ and I know you posted some stuff on this thread: http://line6.com/support/topic/5403-dt-cabinet-simulated-direct-out-questions/

JTV/VDI>PODHD500/L6>DT25 Using different models with different voicings, I've never, ever been able to get my patches level across both the DT speaker and the DT D.I. in the year that I've had it. I spend most of my time in LVM but this also is the case in Full Vol. w/preamps It's mostly the models that use voicing 3 on the DT. Matched at speaker volume (AND matched listening through the pod's own headphone jack), they become way quieter in the DI (relative to the other voices in all cases). (See my test settings below) After emailing tech support numerous times I finally got a useable answer as to why this was, and I was NOT happy. "Unfortunately on DT25 amp the Master Vol on the DT25 does not control DI at all. The DI is controlled by the output of the modeling amps used on the POD. Sorry if this isn't ideal for your set up." How would that be ideal for anyone's setup? If the DI on your amp doesn't actually reflect what's coming out of your amp, that is, well, I guess I can't get my head around that. Totally not ideal. I'm guessing that this all is reflective of a L6 hookup between the pod and the dt? I also guess that's why the the pent/tri or class switches do nothing to the DI sound. What about when the dt is used standalone? Is the DI signal pre-master vol? Is it the same situation for LVM and Full Vol? Can I set the master vol on the dt so it will at least be closer matched to the pod's output? Or vice versa? The patches are level at the DT speaker. The patches are level at the POD hedphone out. Why in the holy f*%k are they not level at the DT's DI?!?!?!??? Because the sonics that come from your amp, which you're trying to duplicate via an output on that very same amp is not actually being controlled from nor does it sound like your amp. Absolutely brilliant. Anyone have anything to add? Please have something to add... System settings: (for all patches) Input 1: guitar+variax Input 2: variax Mixer block: Path A +0dB center panned Path B mute I also set every single patch to Class A/B Pentode and an identical JTV setting. POD mstr vol: 75% DT mstr vol: 75%

I think it does. panned center it's louder than hard pan.

Yup, that's pretty much EXACTLY what I needed. I'm gonna pore over this and punch some buttons and twist some knobs and see what's what. Thanks to you and all the forum regulars who help out with this shtuff.

Yeah but it's Input 2 that I'm concerned with. Setting it to "same" seems to layer a duplicate signal in the path giving just a hint of phasy-ness, and, of course, increases both the signal and the noise. So why's it the default? Seems like there should be a "none" setting when using a mono DT. Anyway, because I'm having so much trouble leveling my patches, I'd like to know if there's a "proper" way to set these so I give the DT the "correct" level. From the POD Manual: Input 1 and Input 2 Source (Knobs 1 & 2) - Select the physical input(s) that you want to be the “source†fed into the signal path. Note that you can choose different Sources to independently feed each signal path, or choose Same to feed a common Source into both paths.

Yeah tell me about it... I level patches by ear and by meters via the DI from the DT. (I'm in LVM mode) Then I flip the DT standby on (still in LVM mode) and listen to the speaker, and my patches are all over the place in volume. If I set them by speaker volume, my DI level is all over the place. System settings: (for all patches) Input 1: guitar+variax Input 2: variax Mixer block: Path A +0dB center panned Path B mute I also set every single patch to Class A/B Pentode. Every patch has the same JTV model. I never touch the Master vol on either the HD or the DT during the process. They're both set to "2o'clock" This is pretty much driving me insane. Same thing in full volume mode with the pre amp models: I'll set them by ear with the amp blasting in another room, and they sound fine on stage but my drummer complains that his in-ear mix (which comes from the DT's D.I.) is all over the place in volume. It seem to me the speaker is getting/giving a totally different signal than the D.I. What gives?!!?

All good advice and spot on, BUT I guess I should confess that this is part of the larger question of not only how to level patches so they sound good through the D.I. but also the speaker or vice versa. I figured they should be one in the same, right. But I've been at this for a little over a year and in my experience, the D.I. and the speaker don't behave as one. Whether in full volume mode with preamp models or LVM mode with full models, I simply cannot get patches to sound even across both D.I. and speaker. I play in a cover band that plays a wide variety of styles, and as such I need a rig that can play back a wide variety of tones. The Dream Rig is definitely advertised as such a rig. Should be perfect. But not if the godd*mn DI is putting out wildly different levels than the speaker. Yes, I could just shut up and put a mic in front of the DT, but that's extra gear and I can't isolate the board send to FOH and I'll never be able to use LVM. Plus, with a wife, two kids and a full time job, It's a pain to find the time to crank up your amp and level patches while the neighbors curse you under their breath. Anyway, enough b*tchin' I'm simply trying to isolate and eliminate EVERY SINGLE variable that could contribute to this phenomenon. And with the Dream Rig, that's a lot. Thanks much for your time and expertise. Mark this as unresolved. JTV/VDI>PodHD500/L6>Dt-25

Thanks for the tips, but this actually raised more questions than it answered. Are you saying that you grab a bunch of full amp models on the HD, set them all on the DT to voicing 1, class A, and just use the DT as a kinda powered speaker? Are you in full vol. mode or LVM? Sounds like you coulda saved hundreds of dollars by just buying a powered PA speaker instead of a DT. I wanna use the DT in full vol mode with preamp models on the HD. In my experience switching between output tube class (A or AB), power tube mode (pentode/triode) settings just creates headaches with DI vs. speaker levels and so I keep everything class AB pentode. My question stems from the fact that even though the DT is a mono amp, volume levels from both Path A and B in the HD500's mixer block affect the DT's final level. My question is: what's the "proper"way to approach the stereo mixer block settings when using a mono DT?

So what's the final word on how to set the Inputs in the HD500's System Setup. I typically use both the JTV/VDI and regular guitar w/cable and I had been using the settings of Input 1: variax Input 2: guitar But since with this setting the tuner only worked for the variax, it became kind of a pain, and I decided to try the old deafult Input 1: guitar+variax Input 2: same This setting sounds "weird" to me, but I don't know if it's just cause I'm so used to the other settings. It also sounds a fair bit louder (guitar signal and noise). They definitely sound different. There's so many options with the dream rig sometimes I just get paralyzed lol. Thanks for the tips.

How are you guys setting the PODHD's mixer block with a single DT25? Should you run both A and B the same level or mute B? cause there's a notable difference between settings. How are you setting the pans? Straight up or L/R? There's a slight difference here, too. Right now I'm using the discrepancies in the settings to help level out my patches. e.g. even if you set the loudest patch's chnl vol to a min(32) with mixer @ -7 and the quietest patch's vol to 100 w/mixer @+7 they're still not even. So I take the loudest patch and mute B and pan 100% the quietest patch gets both A and B and center panned. This seems to do the trick but seems more like a hack than a legitimate way to level your patches.

not to sound like an ignoramus, but do you mean ClockWise or CCW. And does this then tend to make them run hotter or colder?

I had the same popping noises upon switching patches with my dreamrig. upping the JTV firmware to 2.1 solved those problems.

I have an "indoor gig" and "outdoor gig" setup with my dreamrig. Indoors it's LVM with full models, outdoor its full vol with pre's. Mostly because in LVM, you can leave the amp on standby and set your PA sound coming from the DT's D.I.

Dude, that is gorgeous! You should upload patches of those tones - esp. the clean intro guitar. very nice. PS I'm assuming you're a dude, but then, I call everybody "dude"

NP - user oehman posted a zip of a leveled collection of ALL the banks for the JTV v2.1 I replaced the factory banks with it and it has helped a lot http://line6.com/support/topic/7263-a-chart-for-noobs-or-frustrated-dream-riggers/

First failure was about 5 weeks after purchase. I sent it back to the factory for re-tube. (cost me $80 in shipping) Second failure was after about 30 hours of use after that change. Have to get another RA# for another servicing, and more shipping fees. I'm 3.5 hours away from the nearest service center. I would think they would check the bias at the factory. I'm poking around because I'm thinking of just changing and re-biasing the tubes myself to save shipping and I'm trying to work up the courage. I've never changed tubes in an amp and am scared as hell of re-biasing the DT