Hd500x Dsp Limit

NucleusX · July 2, 2014

What I should've said was.. "Any forum MEMBER that detracts points" lol.

brue58ski · July 2, 2014

Well at the very least it seems most of your questions. comments, theories & thoughts have been answered and addressed. Essentially the HD series is not going to change to what you want it to. I prefer the higher definition amps as opposed to lowering the definition to add more stuff. My X3 live had more of the options I like so I can always go back to that but I personally think the HD series sounds better. And that's more important to me. You have some interesting and desirable points and have every right to express them. But it seems like a dead horse is being beaten.

NucleusX · July 2, 2014

What would've been nice, would be an option to throttle down the internal sampling rate in

stages to give us more control over this balance between definition and available slots.

EG: 96Khz, 88Khz, 48Khz, 44Khz.

brue58ski · July 2, 2014

What units do that and how much do they cost?

ChristianArnold · July 2, 2014

What units do that and how much do they cost?

Great question!

NucleusX · July 2, 2014

lol. I said "what would've been nice", as in *in theory* and is not an expression of expectation. I never implied it was a common feature

available in every other MFX unit known to man, It is although, a feature you will find in certain audio electronics out there, so it exists.

I find it amusing that you would quarrel over a trivial statement such as that.

Digital_Igloo · July 2, 2014

You can't just say "Okay, run at a lower sample rate and magically get more DSP horsepower." In fact, sample rate has exactly zero impact on DSP resources in POD, and never could. Even if you could, presets made at a lower sample rate would suddenly be incompatible with your friend's PODâ€”or even your own POD, if set differently later! That experience is much more egregious than the occasional DSP overload message, as is every single item in my aforementioned list. We know, because we've asked the question hundreds of times.

If one must string a ton of spring reverbs or pitch shifters together, they can always connect an HD500X to an HD500 ProX via S/PDIF. Hook up a MIDI cable as well and switching presets will sync automatically.

And it's still way less money than some alternatives.

NucleusX · July 2, 2014

Sounds nice, but I'm not sure I'd pay twice that amount for the same set of FX and AmpSims.

I have solutions in place to address (in my view), what was the lack of DSP horsepower in my

rack, so its not really a concern now. Was just a thought on DSP management in general.

I Imagine the 96Khz algorithms demand more hardware intensive requirements than that if 48Khz.

Although seems common to 48Khz units, especially these days, that they allow you to fill more over-all

slots with FX ect. If we have to lose over-all slots in favour of the 96Khz definition, then so be it.

brue58ski · July 2, 2014

To NucleusX.

Well this thing won't let me quote but regarding your response to me a couple posts ago. I wasn't quarreling with you. It sounded like a good idea and I sincerely wanted to know who else has it. Since you brought it up, it led me to believe you knew of other units that had them. Is everything a quarrel with you?. I was merely inquiring, wondering, asking; not testing, debating arguing, quarreling, or anything confrontational AT ALL. C'mon man lighten up. You seem to be wound a little tight. And your little jabs like, "I find it amusing.....". What a pretentious, arrogant thing to say. I gave you chuckle? Was it more like an evil cackle? And, it was over an innocent question, not an attack. You bring up some interesting points, but you seem to always want to make it a fight. I'm guessing you'll have some clever quip in response to this to put me in my place and perhaps I've given you another cackle, but this I know, my question was not confrontational and was not worded in any klind of confrontational way. So only someone looking for a quarrel would take it that way.

NucleusX · July 3, 2014

@ brue58ski

Fine, no offence intended. And in answer to both your questions, there is no *Guitar MFX Unit* that has this feature. I

just assumed that you where already aware of the kind of balance that was being struck in regards to 96Khz vs 48Khz.

The question seemed pretty sarcastic to me at the time :P. Don't know if the AxeFx or Kemper has this feature tho.

brue58ski · July 3, 2014

I'm not sure how I could have worded it so that a person looking for a quarrel wouldn't have taken it as sarcastic or whatever. Fine. Whatever. Moving on.

NucleusX · July 3, 2014

lol only a person looking for a quarrel would say something like that :P lighten up.

NucleusX · July 3, 2014

Not saying this "should" be done, but maybe in the future one day it "could" be done if it where to

be implemented into the design of the architecture to help "manage" DSP usage. In any kind of

DSP, its processing bandwidth limit is set *fixed* by the hardware architecture. Where you have

"more" available DSP slots in an 48khz environment but lower definition, and "less" available slots

in an 96Khz environment at higher definition, would it be correct to assume that they both roughly

balance out evenly, thus requiring roughly the same raw processing bandwidth requirements ? And

If so, wouldn't the possibility of halving the sampling resolution, also halve the processing bandwidth ?

Could in theory open up the possibility of more slots one would think, for about the same DSP demand ?

phil_m · July 3, 2014

If one must string a ton of spring reverbs or pitch shifters together, they can always connect an HD500X to an HD500 ProX via S/PDIF. Hook up a MIDI cable as well and switching presets will sync automatically.

Rewolf48 · July 3, 2014

If one must string a ton of spring reverbs or pitch shifters together, they can always connect an HD500X to an HD500 ProX via S/PDIF. Hook up a MIDI cable as well and switching presets will sync automatically.

And if that is not enough you could string as many HD ProX together as you have rack space for (S/PDIF out to S/PDIF in). B)

[or buy an AxeFX-II XL :ph34r:]

joel_brown · July 3, 2014

You're not an oddball, I do the same thing. Noisegate, compressor, a little delay, and very little reverb. Then actually play the guitar not the effects.

NucleusX · July 3, 2014

@ Rewolf48

@ RIblues

We all spend our DSP budget in our own way, there is no "right" or "better" way. I've already

stated that I have solutions in place, but thanks for the suggestions that wasn't required.

And for the record, I never said I was stringing 8 reverbs together, not that the personal

tastes of the user's combination of chosen FX or AmpSims should be a factor in this debate.

For the average player with simple chains, you won't be confronted by DSP issues half

as much as someone running a rack in a home studio recording situation, like I am.

There are no extra FX on the floor for me either, only control pedals, which is how I like it.

NucleusX · July 3, 2014

Another thing I'll mention. In Australia, the approximate prices are as follows. (AUD).

POD HD Pro X around $920, POD HD Pro around $699, and POD HD500X around $950.

Not sure what's happening elsewhere, but we aren't seeing the *$500* market point

some people have been referring to. Personally I paid AUD $699 for my POD HD Pro.

The Shortboard MKII pedal board to go with it, was about AUD $350.

Digital_Igloo · July 3, 2014

I definitely find myself in the NucleusX boat on occasionâ€”sometimes eight zillion effects just work. That's why we'll run multiple UAD cards (and before that, PT|HD) so the Mac can run dozens of POD Farms and Reaktor ensembles.

Live, thoughâ€”at least for my bandâ€”all those effects tend to get lost in the room. We'll strip things way back and let the tracks do the heavy lifting.

I run into DSP Overload more often than most Line 6'ers, and won't pretend it's never irritating. But I understand the reasons behind it (both from a user and technical perspective), and would never suggest limiting the box for others just so my band can drown in shoegaze heaven. Doesn't matter how fast a box anyone makesâ€”some people will always push it past its limits.

phil_m · July 3, 2014

Another thing I'll mention. In Australia, the approximate prices are as follows. (AUD).

POD HD Pro X around $920, POD HD Pro around $699, and POD HD500X around $950.

Not sure what's happening elsewhere, but we aren't seeing the *$500* market point

some people have been referring to. Personally I paid AUD $699 for my POD HD Pro.

In the US, the street price for the HD500X (and 500 when it was being made) was $500 pretty much everywhere. With sales, it wasn't that difficult to get for $425 or sometimes less. The price for the Pro X (and Pro, again, when it was being made) is $699.

joel_brown · July 3, 2014

Australia ? I have some friends down there. They keep telling me to look out for the Drop Bears. Then there's the 4,000 other living things down there that will kill you. On top of all that the water in the toilet goes the wrong way...

Digital_Igloo · July 3, 2014

Oh man, drop bears are the worst...

NucleusX · July 4, 2014

*Insert hysterical laughter here* :P

On a serious note, I wouldn't mind putting a bump on this...