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Without knowing your exact situation.... I had wanted to go (electric guitar) ampless for years the same as I do acoustic guitar, vocals, and keyboards, but I could never get the right tone. To the point that I even quit looking for 20 years, just simply giving up on the possibility. But, as fate would have it, in 2014 (after having heard whispers of 'modelers', and having only used it on toy-ish computer related gear) I needed to make a change to my rig. That is when I found that the technology has finally caught up to my 1983 desires. And now that I run a modeler and am ampless... I am never going back to amps ever again. And that brings me to you (and anyone else).... If you were to go with a modeler, it really opens up amplification possibilities. Such as in-ear monitoring. Or, a small system for small gigs and a large system for large gigs. All while never changing tone - which is something no one can say about guitar amplifiers. You don't need a guitar amp because the tone is in the modeler, you just need a generic system to hear yourself. $20 computer speakers. $200 mini-pa systems. $2000 personal monitoring systems. Go ampless, and let the sound man shoot your tone back to you via stage monitors. It really is an endless array of choices to fit your needs, all because you no longer need to consider tone as a primary function.

Fair enough. That just boils down to the different ways of using it. I don't use it that way, so I wouldn't think of those things.

it is still being sold in 2021, so I assume people are using it. *it was still being made prior to the Plandemic allowing governments to force everyone out of work. I can't speak as to if they plan on continuing to make it once the people wise up and rise up. Just to update this... I have noticed that the Pod (specifically HD500X, which is the latest Pod made) is no longer listed on the current product page.

I can understand at home, while designing patches, you may not want to pick up frequencies from the floor. But once presets are already made, and you step on a stage for a live performance, why do we want it off the floor? Stick it on the floor (maybe slightly raised on a box or something) at the front of the stage. Let the sound shoot up at you like a wedge monitor would. It has the angles built right in, perfect for floor usage.

What else do you have in the chain, and where is it? Some effects and their placement (before or after other effects) will cause effects to react differently.

That isn't what I think of when someone uses the word 'noise/noisy'. I was thinking hum, ground loop, kind of stuff. **My GLPs are the quietest guitars I have, in terms of hum. ======================================== While I am not a Helix user, I can clearly hear what you are talking about. And that, I hate to say, is more of a you problem than anything else. Patch design. Volume knobs. Global settings (assuming HX has the same setup as HD). Cleans are clean on L6, but it is easier to make them dirty by accident than clean on purpose.

I don't use the Helix. Or USB audio. However, on the HD500, yes, you can send audio through the device via USB (from a PC). So, I see no reason why you couldn't do it with the Helix.

Someone suggested visiting a larger, more diverse, musical forum. Because common sense would dictate that a niche forum like this for a niche product like this... it is not going to have a horde of violin users hanging out sipping tea together. However, yes, these products are being used by violinists.

Things like this are already available... but not from mass produced products available to the masses for the price of a week's pay.

For the record - this has nothing to do with L6. This is a Windows issue. I won't even call it a flaw, simply because it is designed that way. It has existed for numerous operating systems. It happens with most USB/HDMI audio connections. *I'd like to say 'all', but since I haven't checked every device ever created.

In short, you want to know why using your modeler isn't as easy as pushing a picture of french fries at the McDonald's cash register.

Here's the three pieces of advice I wish someone had told me when I first got into modeling: 1. Global Settings make a huge difference. Know how you are going to use the unit, and set it up for it. *I don't use the HX products. Do they have the same issues as the HD units (in terms of the global settings)? 2. To start, use what you know. Meaning, these are virtual replications of physical items. If you used, as example, a Fender Twin and a Dunlop Wah in your previous/physical rig, don't try using a Marshall and Tron Up in your virtual rig. Start by using the virtual Fender Twin and virtual Dunlop Wah. 3. Modelers aren't designed to give you that same room sound we grew up with in your bedroom. Not only can you take a virtual 100 watt 4x12 and turn it up to 10 (which is something that most of us have ever experienced) without blowing out your eardrums and upsetting your parents and neighbors, but also simply because they are adding a mic to the tone you hear. You are getting more of the sound heard on an album or from the pa in a stadium, not the stage sound.

but that is what MIDI is Keyboards have what is known as General Midi, which is used as a standard set of values used for electronic instruments. But the guitar is not an electronic instrument. Nor is a MFX utilizing the functions that GM was designed for.

That's funny - I wrote, but deleted, this big long diatribe. Because I didn't want to be 'that guy' (again). And then when I click enter, I see that others have posted their own BLDs as I was typing. And here's a hum dinger... I have been a full time professional musician for 37 years. But I am not yet 50.

I disagree with the entire premise.

Don't get me wrong. It works that way. But if someone is looking to get the same tone with each situation, it isn't going to be as easy as simply turning on/off an amp.

Define 'supported'. It is still being made. It is still being sold. They still have warranties (if that is the kind of support you mean). But, you are correct, they haven't handed out any freebies lately.

To repeat what others have said.... Me kicking around at home or the studio, I don't really worry about 'setlists' and just deal with whatever patch space I am on. But for live performances: I have each patch saved as a song title (yes, I sometimes have the same patch saved multiple times under different titles). And I will import them (via EDIT) in the order I need them for any given night.

and as far as the 'crap' sound you are getting.... you could try creating tones without amps and cabs. you can also try some of the global settings to see if any of them give enough default tweaks to turn your crap into manure.

And, just to toss this out there... there is also the HD500X

It doesn't really work that way. Create patches for use with an amp. Create patches for use without an amp.

If you are at home using a guitar amp - you don't even need GEQ because your amp has tone knobs If you are playing by yourself, you don't need it for filtering either - because you are the only guitarist, there is no 'mix' that you need to sit in.

You watched a video that is 2 days old (and are already posting about it), rather than the numerous posts and videos that have existed for the previous 7 years when L6 introduced GEQ in the HD series. But, anyhow.... As previously mentioned, Global Equalizer is... GLOBAL. It is in the name. I have said numerous times (remember, it has been 7 years) that it was misnamed, and should be the Master Equalizer. It is similar to a Master Volume knob, in the sense that it controls the entire unit. It is best used for 'room shaping'. Such as when going from room to room night after night - because they each have a different tonal response. Personally, I don't use it. Let the sound man earn his keep. And as far as this high/low filtering - many people use it that way (remember, it has been 7 years). But I have found that using it for Amp 1 requires a different GEQ than Amp 2. It can even be different if you use Amp 1 with Setting A or with Setting B. So, to me, unless I am in "a band" and have "one tone" all night, I would need 40 different GEQ settings for 40 songs. Forty settings isn't 'global', that's something that should be found within each patch.

There's a difference between a hand out and a hand up. I am not going to coddle someone. Now, had the dude come here and said he doesn't think the Marshall models sound like Marshall, and would like alternatives... that's different. But asking what models sound like a Marshall...

But I am the same kind of prick pretty much everywhere. I am actually a nice guy. I just don't deal with silly non-sense like 'which model sounds like a Marshall' - duh, the Marshall model.