Looper Volume TO LOW !

[Punkyboy]

Hello

 

if I play and launch the looper  , the volume of my loop is very low in comparaison when the playing volume

 

 1/2 lower than normal ??

 

All the settings on the looper like the playback and overdub are on maximal

 

I try different sounds clean, distortion etc... the distortion and crunchy are very bad on the looper

 

 POD HD BEAN (with FBV Shortboard MK II)

 

Tx for help 

 

 

[MartinDorr]

I have seen a 3dB drop when playing back a recorded loop compared to the normal play through level, but that's not half the volume (that would require a 9dB drop for most people). I could never get to the bottom of when it happens, but it probably has something to do with summing or not summing path A and B. It really only mattered when i was doing some measurements with a loop and the loop not reflecting the normal guitar level. Whenever I use the loop in practice to solo on top I end up turning the loop volume down a bit anyway.

Sounds though as a you have a different problem if its really half and the loop playback levels are all max. I have an HD500 and that may be acting a bit different than the Bean .

Maybe somebody else has seen this before.

[spaceatl]

There are a couple of things that can cause it....The primary thing is that the looper is mono...It's not really a performance level looper IMHO....Basically a utility looper that is useful for practice, perhaps an informal jam and tweaking a patch....Patch tweaking is probably the most useful aspect....In that capacity, set the looper to the front of the chains so it records the dry guitar....then playback and tweak....

[Punkyboy]

hello

take a look to this graph you can see the power when I play and the rest when the looper play

 

The looper is on post (at the end) and the sound is not very good, when I try to add another sound the overdub is lower too and i can't hear a good sound

 

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And here you can hear a test of sound it's the same as the graph

 

https://app.box.com/s/34hrb5eqbneqllmiz2g9640ve9qakdlq

 

 

Speciatl when i set the looper on front is better but the problem is that i can not add other sound because the sound of the looper change with the other preset ?

 

 

tx

[silverhead]

Can you explain what you are trying to achieve? Are you recording? Playing live? Wanting to solo over a chord progression? Let us know what you are using the looper for and perhaps we can help more.

[Punkyboy]

Can you explain what you are trying to achieve? Are you recording? Playing live? Wanting to solo over a chord progression? Let us know what you are using the looper for and perhaps we can help more.

I use the looper for solo over chords , testing for a good sound(overdub), for creation, 

 

Things like this , make fun is Impossible

 

http://line6.com/support/topic/1774-compose-with-pod-hd/

 

because if I overdub with another sound, is more bader and everytime I add somes sound is bader, I can only add   2 sounds max

 

i'm playing only home

 

Tx

 

Sorry for my bad english I'm french

[spaceatl]

It has been a while since I spun up a bank of patches to use for looping...But I have done it and I could get the patches close on a post looper....The main thing I found was that putting the pans up center and the mixer or channel vol until I could get the levels to match live vs loop for each patch I want to use...It's a little counter intuitive, but I found running the volume level of the chain a bit lower that I normally would to drive an amp helped a bit as I recall....Also make sure that the looper is set to full volume...Basically, you have to make sure that your stereo patches translate to mono pretty well...some stereo effects can result in cancellation when it is summed mono in the looper and cancellation reduces the recorded volume....I would not even attempt using the looper with dual-tone patches...

 

I do have a Desktop, so it might be that the 500 is a bit different.

[Punkyboy]

..Basically, you have to make sure that your stereo patches translate to mono pretty well...

Hi

What do you mean with that? How do I do That? 

 

The volume of the looper is full

 

Tx

[spaceatl]

Well, the looper is one way but that can be a little difficult without using a single source (speaker)....Here is a decent article on the subject...You just have to apply a few of the principals and you can get some decent results....But you generally have to make some compromises to get it good...But there are great benefits to doing it...generally this applies more to recording, but the guidelines can be useful here because the issue with the looper is stereo to mono translation...

 

 

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-achieve-good-translation-in-your-mixes--audio-1139

[clay-man]

using 2 channels with the post looper will cut the volume in half, sadly. It's very very annoying, and I wish we could move the looper at the end of the paths instead of the end of the mixer. Makes using a guitar and mic impossible.

[spaceatl]

I played with my looper(in post full volume) last night and I am not having any sort of leveling issue at all (HD Bean on 2.62)...However, I only use single amp tones and my input configuration has the second input disabled....I do not think the post looper works very well for dual tones at all....It is a utility looper that is great as a PRE looper for tweaking tones and volume leveling and the post looper is ok for some personal practice....It's not a live-performance level looper IMHO....just a nice little utility...

[Ed_Saxman]

It is a utility looper that is great as a PRE looper for tweaking tones and volume leveling and the post looper is ok for some personal practice....It's not a live-performance level looper IMHO....just a nice little utility...

 

Absolutely agree. Get any dedicated machine for serious looping. Get a Boss RC-300 to be able to record perfect loops by setting the number of measures (a essential feature that only this unit allows), and forget about imprecise loopers that can ruin your sense of tempo.

[Punkyboy]

yeah  in Post position it working well

, but you can not add other sounds , because the loop change to

 

But the problem is on Pre ,

[radatats]

so from Page 8-5 in the Advanced manual there are two things you need to check.  First, that the Playback volume is turned up.  It is adjustable to allow you to be heard over the looped section.  Second check your Overdub level.  If it is set to 90% then the loop will be 10% quieter with each successive overdub.

 

Looper Settings
Press the VIEW button to display the Signal Flow View screen and select the Looper to access several additional settings.

 

• 1 Playback - Use Multi-function Knob 1 to adjust the Looper playback volume. You may find it useful to turn this down a bit so that your live guitar can be slightly louder.
• 2 Overdub - Use Multi-function Knob 2 to determine the volume of your loop in Overdub mode. For example, if your Overdub Level is set to 90%, each time your loop begins a new overdub its volume will be reduced by 10%, sounding quieter and quieter with each overdub pass.
• 3 Hi Cut & 4 Lo Cut - Use Multi-function Knobs 3 & 4 to adjust these EQ options, to reduce the treble and bass of your Loop playback. It can be helpful to reduce these to optimize the “mix†of your Loop playback with your live guitar. These controls reduce the High and Low frequencies more as you raise their values.


 

[spaceatl]

yeah  in Post position it working well

, but you can not add other sounds , because the loop change to

 

But the problem is on Pre ,

 

It's an "Old School" looper....and it takes some practice to get under this one....If you don't have good meter AND good foot coordination to start AND set the loopback point, you will likely get frustrated with overdubbing...If you mess up, you basically have to start all over again...at least I do...and I only used it for my own practice an entertainment now and then....I do use it to tweak patches...

 

There isn't any quantizing as you have to set the exact start and end...If you want to change tones, you have use the looper post...if you want to tweak, you have to use the looper pre....I have never overdubbed in pre...never saw any point to doing that....

[Punkyboy]

.If you don't have good meter AND good foot coordination to start AND set the loopback point, you will likely get frustrated with overdubbing...If you mess up, you basically have to start all over again...

Who speaking about coordination???

look at the post above

I speak about the difference of the volume when I play and start the loop

see the graph please.

 

 

So overdubbing in pre is more to make fun and creative stuff, because you can hold the sound ,and change the other sound you want to  add

In Post when you change the sound , your entire loop change to this sound too or AM I wrong?,

tx

 

For example I think this guy play in "Post" otherwise evrerytime he change the preset his loop must be change too

 

Sorry little bit wrong here  I mean overdubbing in post is more funny

[Punkyboy]

yep

 

 

 

Just need to set hi and low cut OFF when you play

 

this is the result exactly the same rythme

 

 

 

This is the same with hi and low cut on 1/3 ON (it reduce the level)

 

 

 

adjust after the loops

 

 

TX all

 

[radatats]

when you play in PRE changing patches changes the tone of what you have recorded and what you are overdubbing.

 

when you play in POST what you recorded stays the same when you change patches, only what you overdub has the new tone.

 

That is why if you are tweaking a tone use the PRE section so you can hear all the changes you are making to what you recorded.

 

If you are playing live or laying down a rhythm track to jam to, use the POST section so what you record doesn't change when you kick it to lead to solo over it.

[Punkyboy]

ok Thank you all for your patience :D

[spaceatl]

Who speaking about coordination???

look at the post above

I speak about the difference of the volume when I play and start the loop

see the graph please.

 

 

So overdubbing in pre is more to make fun and creative stuff, because you can hold the sound ,and change the other sound you want to  add

In Post when you change the sound , your entire loop change to this sound too or AM I wrong?,

tx

 

For example I think this guy play in "Post" otherwise evrerytime he change the preset his loop must be change too

 

Sorry little bit wrong here  I mean overdubbing in post is more funny

 

My bad...I misread your meaning of "the loop change too"...

[Brazzy]

Good thread. I don't use the looper in the HD500 very much but I may revisit it in the future. The first time I went to use it I really didn't know much about layering guitar but as I progress I find that most things I was uncomfortable with early in the game become more appetizing. The first time I used the looper I remember these volume issues your speaking of and gave up and moved onto continuing to learn how to make my fingers move better.

 

I've been using RiffWorks to loop and layer with lately but since my good computer drank the kool-aid and croaked I'm looking for other ways to mix. I really do like RiffWorks, Ableton and Reason. They work great together and as I use it I get more proficient at it.

 

Very good thread punkyboy and great posts as they all help me better understand it. I think the problem is that it's too simple of a looper as spaceatl said it's like an old school looper.

[silverhead]

One other thing to note: the looper footswitch display shows what the looper setting WILL BE if you press the switch. In other words, when the Looper display says PRE, the looper is currently in POST mode.

 

Punkyboy, from your descriptions it sounds like this may be a key point. I think you may have PRE and POST confused, which is understandable based on the ambiguous display.

[Brazzy]

One other thing to note: the looper footswitch display shows what the looper setting WILL BE if you press the switch. In other words, when the Looper display says PRE, the looper is currently in POST mode.

 

I was confused with that at first but once I switched it then went to view mode I saw where it switched to and got my bearings.

[Punkyboy]

 

 

Punkyboy, from your descriptions it sounds like this may be a key point. I think you may have PRE and POST confused, which is understandable based on the ambiguous display.

 

Yeah you right but I notice it on the post with this demo of this guy  under the video 

[kennyhickey]

Hi everyone...I'm new to the forums.

 

I picked up a used HD500x about a week ago, I love it it but the looper function was giving my the issue of my playback loop having the 3db or so drop in playback volume even though playback volume was set to 100, this was driving me nuts. I searched the internet for a solution but found none...

 

I was making due by keeping the playback volume set at 60 and then bump up the playback volume to increase the volume of the playback.  Not a soultion for me if I was going to use the looper function in a live situation, this bummed me out.

 

Don't ask me why this worked but I set the playback volume to 100 and  the hi and low cut to 100 and tried a loop, the playback was now at 50 percent volume...argggg WTF. I then kept the playback volume at 100 and dropped the hi and low cut back down to 0 and tried a loop...BAM now my playback volume is the exact same volume as when I played it!!!!!

 

Again, I'm not sure why this worked...glitch in the unit?

 

Hopefully this can help someone out

 

Peace

[chrisrowley]

On 4/10/2015 at 6:19 PM, radatats said:

so from Page 8-5 in the Advanced manual there are two things you need to check.  First, that the Playback volume is turned up.  It is adjustable to allow you to be heard over the looped section.  Second check your Overdub level.  If it is set to 90% then the loop will be 10% quieter with each successive overdub.

 

Looper Settings
Press the VIEW button to display the Signal Flow View screen and select the Looper to access several additional settings.

 

• 1 Playback - Use Multi-function Knob 1 to adjust the Looper playback volume. You may find it useful to turn this down a bit so that your live guitar can be slightly louder.
• 2 Overdub - Use Multi-function Knob 2 to determine the volume of your loop in Overdub mode. For example, if your Overdub Level is set to 90%, each time your loop begins a new overdub its volume will be reduced by 10%, sounding quieter and quieter with each overdub pass.
• 3 Hi Cut & 4 Lo Cut - Use Multi-function Knobs 3 & 4 to adjust these EQ options, to reduce the treble and bass of your Loop playback. It can be helpful to reduce these to optimize the “mix†of your Loop playback with your live guitar. These controls reduce the High and Low frequencies more as you raise their values.


 

THIS WILL FIX YOUR VOLUME PROBLEMS WITH THE POD HD500X LOOPER FUNCTION! CHEERS FOR POSTING THIS!

[hurghanico]