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I was just thinking about what I should use to get my cabs off the ground. Hmm.

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Holy cr@p dude. US vs Korean, different chops. Line6 needs to make some videos real soon. I love the UI like we all do, but for 3X the cost... just sayin.

Assuming you have hardware connecting your computer and your DT amp for MIDI communication, open DTEdit. It should display something like this: Except yours will list an amp and cab, etc. There is a rectangular box between the Amp box and the Drive knob. The smaller rectangle on the right side of that box is a drop down list where you can choose the amp you desire.

Via MIDI. One of these may come in handy as well: http://line6.com/support/topic/124-user-created-dt-editors/

The signal went from the mic to my PreSonus Audiobox USB into my Mac via USB. All the settings remained constant between clips and no mastering or alterations to the recordings. I just exported to mp3 files. I set the virtual pre amp in POD HD500X Edit to the same positions on the DT. I didn't really think the volume difference was huge, but the volume difference may be that I used Input 1 = guitar, Input 2 = Variax. There were no effects in the chain so the signal hit the pre amp first and that is considered a mono "effect". I "normally" use those inputs unless I run dual amps, then Input 1 and 2 are the same. Setting both to the same with one amp can push harder but sometimes you may run into clipping. The POD Master volume was set to 12 o'clock. The DTs were set to 10 o'clock. I used the same guitar, same patch cable, had one DT L6 Linked and the other straight in. The both had identical DT25 heads and Egnator Tweeker 112 cabs. They were both sitting on hardwood floors. (I have to get me something to get the cabs off the floor) I could have compensated the volume levels but I don't feel like that would be a true comparison.

L6 Link vs unbalanced out into DT effects loop return = Not really to me with these settings. Other settings can and I will try to eventually post some audio when I can. I would like to hear robbie61 post L6 Link vs unbalanced into the effects return clips for us to appreciate the differences he is getting because he said there is a dramatic difference in his experience. L6 Link vs straight into the front of the DT = Yes. I tried to set up both audio clips up the same way. I set up a patch for L6 Link with no effects. I used a Blackface Double Norm Pre with all the pre amp settings at 50% except pre amp master at 100%. No cab. I set the DT up the same way for the straight in version. The following audio clips might not be the best but they give you an idea of the difference. They were recorded with an AGK C214 from about 3 feet away into Audacity, then exported as mp3 files. https://soundcloud.com/cipherhost-1/sets/l6-link-vs-straight-into-dt To me, the L6 Link sounds compressed, which can be good if that is what you want. The Straight in clip sounds more dynamic, and I can always add compression if I want, but I don't see how you can un-compress the L6 Link version. The pre amps in the HD 500X and the DT25 have been reported to be the same, and I don't doubt that. I suppose it is the Analog vs Digital conversions that alter the tone. The dB loss I have read about may also play a roll. To each their own.

Ok. Some bad news and some good news. My setup does the same thing. Only physically turning the Pres knob on either the DT or the HD produces the change in tone. Changing the Pres within POD HD500X EDIT with the mouse or with EXP1 or EXP2 changes nothing. I can see the Pres knob changing in EDIT using the pedal. Then I tried using a MIDI CC to change the Pres parameter. First I set the knobs on the DT and HD to 50% and set FS4 to change CC 21 to a value of 127. That worked. Then I set EXP1 to go from 0 to 127 and that worked as well. So that is a work around. It appears to be an L6 Link software problem that could be fixed with a FW update. Let me know if you do not place a request to have this addressed by Line6. If you don't, I will make the request. I removed the FS4 MIDI CC but left the EXP1 MIDI CC. You will see it is set to change from 0 to 100. I do not have the Models pack so you will have to change AMP B back to Pete or whatever it was when you sent me the file. You will have to change the inputs back to what you had them on before. http://line6.com/customtone/tone/1108817/ It really is a nice power amp boost. Thanks to MartinDorr for sharing his technique.

That is really strange. It reminds me of an "out of sync" problem I read before. Would you post the preset so I could confirm the same thing happens on my DT25/500X?

That sounds great. I have been wanting to try the TS112A and will use what you have shared with us. Thank you for the review!

The only limiting thing I have found so far is when L6 Link is plugged in, the front input jack is disabled. Makes sense from an engineering view point. That, and not being able to give unique MIDI commands to a second DT without L6 Link. I know you enjoy tinkering as I do. Gotta load up and meet a new group of guys who like classic rock, southern rock and blues. That's right up this old mans alley.

Yeah, I never went to the actual website and just looked at the picture when I Googled it. I went there today (http://en.audiofanzine.com/guitar-amp-simulation-pedal/line-6/pod-hd500/editorial/reviews/pod-hd-is-it-for-you.html) and it is from 10/19/2010. Must be old FW. Good to know robbie61 can use this method if he wants to as well. His earlier post made me wonder. Enjoy your posts and thanks for the pics and info. Now I know.

Do you come out the POD with the unbalanced out into the front of the DT? I never tried that. You could use just the pre amp in the DT, or a pre amp in your patch while using the same, different or no pre amp in the DT. That could lead to some interesting flavors. How do you get between the pre and power amps for time based effects? Or do you run them into the front. I know some guys run delays and such right into the front of there amps.

Excellent! It must have been an older FW version I saw in the pictures I Googled. Unless they Photoshoped it.

In POD HD500X EDIT, go to the "MIXER" tab. At the bottom, there is a block called "L6 LINK". Here you can find sub blocks for controlling "AMP 1" thru "AMP 4" and UTILITIES. Each of the AMP 1-4 blocks has a separate drop down list for both "AUDIO" and "CONTROL". "CONTROL" allows you to chose "AMP A (Ch 1)" or "AMP B (Ch 2)" or other MIDI Channels. The "AUDIO" drop down list gives the options for Left, Right, Left and Right, AMP A, AMP B and Mute. I think that's all the choices but I would have to double check. It looks like (from Googling images) the POD HD500 EDIT has a "MIXER" tab that includes the "CONTROLLERS" box, but not the L6 LINK block. The "CONTROLLERS" block is a separate tab in POD HD500X EDIT. That makes me think you can't give this experiment a try. I also wonder if there were changes that improved the audio quality over L6 Link. I have to say that I have always thought plugging straight into the DT sounded better than through the POD (I've always used L6 Link). Tomorrow I am going to compare L6 Link with the unbalanced outs directly and compare.

You guys may have already known this, but I just realized (and tested) that I can mute my amps in HD Edit so the only audio is from the unbalanced cables and still have amp control over L6 Link. I still like the idea of pushing the power amp, but I like options too. Robbie61, if you get a chance, could you test this idea on your rig? I'm guessing you'll get the same juicy tones with the benefit of L6 Link. I hope Helix eventually incorporates current L6 Link functionality. Without L6 Link, I think both DTs will be listening to channel 1. So how you easily send DT2 a different CC message than DT1? It would be quite cumbersome, but if you can tolerate the HD sitting behind your amps in a live situation, you can use Helix to call up patches on the HD via MIDI and leave L6 Link as normal from the HD to your DTs. This way you have L6 Link function and Helix audio via unbalanced outs. In the mean time, let's hope "DT amp compatibility for Helix" (http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/DT-amp-compatibility-for-Helix/726817-23508) gets enough votes and Line6 decides to make it happen. Cheers

Thanks!

Just don't forget about all us little people. :P

If you have not done so already, please vote for the ideascale request for keeping the current DT/L6 Link integration with Helix. Here is the link: http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/DT-amp-compatibility-for-Helix/726817-23508 There are also a number of other ideas you might want to vote for which can be found here: http://line6.com/support/topic/14497-helix-ideascale-community-submissions/ Cheers

Excellent. Thanks for the quick feedback!

38 to go to reach 100! I want my, I want my, L6 for my DT.... Now that ain't workin' that's the way to do it You play the guitar on your DT

Hey folks, I have been using L6 Link from my 500X into a pair of DT25s. Lots of fun and flexibility! Then, I was reading the post by robbie61 (http://line6.com/support/topic/14450-amp-b-doesnt-seem-to-work-with-my-hd500/?p=105517) and got to thinking. What if I plug the L and R unbalanced outs into the effects return of each of the DT25s while leaving the L6 Link plugged in? I tried it and it sounds good. There is a little more volume, but no apparent power tube clipping with the levels and patch I am using. Does anyone think I could do damage to my rig using this setup?

http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/DT-amp-compatibility-for-Helix/726817-23508 Has 59 votes

http://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Step-Phaser-for-Helix/741011-23508

As Zap said in his original post, "please post new ideas here and i'll try and update this post as a master list." If you don't see it, it is new to his list. He is doing this as a courtesy and as a convenience for members. Post the links and I'm sure Zap will add it to the list.