gunpointmetal
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I would use two different amps switched with snapshots through the same cab. If I need clean/mean in the same patch, I usually pick the cab the works best for the heavy tone, and adjust the clean amp to sound good through that cab.
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I play similar music (or at least similar enough; deathcore & mathcore). I have used Mackie Thump 12s for the past 4 years and they work well, but I recently upgraded to EV ZLX12P speakers and I feel like they're much clearer sounding and a little louder if need be. I use one for rehearsal and shows were there is a decent PA system, and two for places without much PA support. I think they're about $400/each new. When I use one its on a pole about head height (or at least below the tweeters on the mains speakers) and when I use two I have one on the pole and one on the floor in wedge position at the base of the pole. I tried the Altos and the cheaper JBLs and they did not hold up well with a de-tuned guitar.
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I'm in the same boat as far as I haven't touched a modeler since the GT-8 that I couldn't just dial in something that I'd be comfortable using pretty much right off the bat, but preconception is a lollipop, especially with guitarists. Too many people dial by number or by sight instead of by sound and that doesn't even work all the time with the same model amp from the same manufacturer.
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If you're at living room volumes and you're barely pushing the DXRs, its not going to be much of a difference. The available low-end you're going to lose isn't really useful or wanted in most guitar sounds anyways.
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For hard rock/metal bass its the balls! So gnarly-sounding with the gain cranked.
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Bass is entirely different than guitar. A bass cab is more or less (usually) a "full-range" cabinet with a tweeter and more low end capability, and most bass amps with a DI/DI boxes that have been in use for decades specifically for bass don't feature any cab modeling. I know some people prefer the sound of certain cabinets, but for bass I prefer to have as direct of a signal as possible that I can shape at the board/in the DAW. The most recent recordings our band did our bassist insisted on using a cab so we have an Avatar 4x10 with three mics on it (D6, and a condensor and and a Sennheiser 906), a DI line off the bass, and a DI line of the Darkglass B7K Ultra Pedal. The final tone in the mix is 99% B7K and DI, with a little bit of the mics blended in for the very reason you described. They're kind of muddy, rumbly, and undefined.
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I think if this the main reason for checking it out, and you think the amps are pretty comparable to each other with similar cab modeling, the rest of it comes down to workflow. Learning a new system may take some time, but do the other benefits outweigh the possible time lost to getting everything set up? I know for me the design and set-up of Native and Helix UI was pretty much clear as day from the get-go. If it comes to live performance, the Helix Floor/Rack are hand-down more functional (I think).
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I think it really comes down the repeating theme in this thread (and others). This is musical equipment, its like paint brushes or paint to a visual artist. Everyone has preferences, and reasons for their preference, and if they're getting what they want out of the gear, excellet, if not, buy something else. I've not come across a modeler since probably the POD XT that I can't something out of that I like the sound. These are incredibly flexible devices, and it really comes down to player preference. I think AFX II/III modeling sounds a tiny bit better out of the box than Helix, but comparable IRs nearly level the field (for me), and the difference in cost is exponentially greater than the difference in tone. The layout and UI of the Helix just "clicks" for me (I don't think I've looked at a manual in the entire time I've owned it, and I pre-ordered), so I can do everything I want to do very quickly. TL;DR: Music equipment isn't a universally "good or bad" situation. Use the gear that works best for you, and don't tell people that something they like is inferior because it didn't work FOR YOU.
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Really, except for all the people who were asking you about your gear and offering suggestions when you brought your issue originally that you either ignored or just kept repeating “Nah, everything is scooped”. I read the thread over on TGP where you did the same thing. The only common denominator here is you. It’s guitar gear. If it’s not working and you’re too smart and your hearing is too good to take suggestions, then it’s time to find something that does.
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Alright, its official, you're just a moron.
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Stealing this. YOINK
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Hahaha, true. Its been a slow couple of days on the interwebz.
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I have a lot of free time waiting on batch processes at work, so I've been having fun with it. He's either a super dedicated troll, or a complete moron, either way poking the bear is mildly entertaining while I wait on other stuff. He'll either leave or say something so inflammatory someone actually boots him. Either way its a win. Should some random internet person happen upon this thread searching for stuff they'd be quick to realize the troll/moron nature of the conversation, or they themselves would be a moron, and they'll get a chuckle, or they'll head over to TGP for a spanking. I'm just waiting for him to show up over at SSO with the same thread.
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Triggered retards content with our tone because we know how the gear works. ;)
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*Groundhog Day
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You haven't provided a screen shot of your tone through the spectrograph. Or the details of what other gear your using including pickups, guitar, etc. Then its you or your guitar. Move on.
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So...you have time to run an analyzer on a YouTube video and take a screen shot to "prove a point", yet through, what is it, three threads on two forums you haven't provided one of your actual recorded tone from the HX Stomp of which you claim is inherently missing mids from ALL OF THE AMP MODELS. Dude, lots of people tried to point you in a direction, now you're actually just being a d1ckh3ad. Edit: Also, WTF THAT IS MISSING ALL OF THE UPPER MIDS BETWEEN 700HZ and 1.5kHZ! Looks like you found your EQ curve.
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It's just one of those things, I suppose. I've literally sat in the room with Sarah Longfield playing her guitar through her setup and I sound nothing like what she does with the same patches/instrument. There is nothing inherently scooped or harsh about HX tones, as evidenced by the large number of people using them on a regular basis and multiple professionals incorporating them into their rigs. It's not trying to be an lollipop, but if the gear is giving this big of a headache, its best to find other gear that does what you need without all the hassle. Upgrading your playback system is still highly recommended.
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Nobody said you were a shill. You keep jumping over aspects of the chain people are asking about, posting examples and ignoring really good advice on how/why even in the ballpark its not gonna sound the same. A whole lot of people have put in more time than anyone deserves in a situation like this, lol. Thinking that monitoring/playback system and comparing a mixed/mastered tone in the hands of one of the current masters of the instruments isn't going to be an issue is the same thing as when people wonder why they're crate 4x12 doesn't sound as good as a Mesa 4x12 even though both cabs are being driven by the same amp. At some point it's down to digging in or giving up, because no two sets of ears, no two sets of gear are the same.
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Nah, now he's over on TGP not letting anyone actually help him, too.
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This 1000X. A good guitar tone dialed in through a quality monitor system will still sound good (or at least OK) through a crap monitor system. A tone dialed in to sound good on a crap monitor system will sound like buckets of doodoo on a quality monitor system. Mixing/mastering is designed to make music sound good on most reproduction systems. Nobody is mixing and mastering through some desktop computer speakers to any reasonable effect and then having that sound great through studio monitors.
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What guitar? What pickups? Is the input pad activated? There are so many variable to "nailing" someone else's tone. Even if I had the EXACT tone as what you're looking for, if your gear is different than mine, or you play with a heavier/lighter touch, or your input levels are louder/quieter its not going to be EXACT when you play through it. At this point it would seem you're trying to NOT solve a problem and blame everything besides the only consistent variable.
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C'mon guys, we all know that when comparing a raw guitar tone to a mixed/mastered tone in the context of a song its gotta sound exactly like the tone or something is wrong with the hardware. There's definitely no reason that lollipop computer speakers and a lollipop FRFR monitor shouldn't be able to reproduce exactly a tone from a recording as it sounds in a full mastered mix with who knows what kind of post production. This is all super common knowledge guys. Geez.
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I like the gate where it is, but the compressor behind the amp/cab was a silly design choice.
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At the end of the day, some gear just doesn't jive with some people. If you spend too much time struggling with the gear and not enough time actually playing, that's no good for anyone. I'm the same way with Orange cabs and Mesa rectifier amps. I hear other people getting great sounds out of them, but I feel like I'm fighting with the gear every time ive used either of those things. IF you give it a good go and it doesn't work, you just gotta find the thing that keeps you playing. There's also the caveat that a direct rig will NEVER sound like a cab in the room unless you either make your own far-field IRs of a cab you like or you use an actual guitar cab. I know a few guys who love the "studio tones" for jamming at home, but absolutely hate even great sounding direct tones playing at high volumes. There is definitely a tangible difference in sound and feel depending on your output system, no matter how good the amp modeling is.
