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When you send your stereo signal into the FH1500 you have a DSP wich has no clue about the signal composition. So for that stage you have just a composite signal (helix amps plus effexts) to be processed just at amplitude and frequency domain, through a digital compressor (which is part of DSP). That is then passing various frequencies to the different speakers. Limiters there are kicking to protect coaxial to be overloaded, and this is muffling the incoming signal. When you use the amp alone, DSP does know what every block is doing, it does recognize dry from wet, amp simulation from a reverb etc. Signal is not a composite as it happens when using the stereo inputs. Distribution here is then optimized for wet/dry/wet and the output its way more open and clear, and because of that you get no crazy limiters muffling the output.

I did several side to side comparisons between the Helix amps and HD amps in the FH1500. Compared amps which are in both the units, using exactly same settings and mics. They are the same tone. Helix has more mics and more options to tweak things, but using available settings on both, they are the same tone, bit by bit. I wouldn't be surprised to discover it's same algo running in both DSPs, with the Helix version using more branches to work inside the Helix patch structure. Problem is, as already said several times over here, the FH1500 sounds muffled when you use an external stereo source entering the amp (does not matter which stereo input you use), as it has pretty aggressive limiter section which is capping the dynamic as soon as you push on the source. Even if you make all speakers working, it's the crossover operation which is different, so you have different pass and different limits between the two usage (FRFR or standalone). So yes, the amp alone does sounds better but doesn't have same range of amps and effects as Helix has. You should try yourself if you can, because along forums you'll find people saying lot of things and sometimes protecting their investment with a bit wishful thinking, but really, I would not ever suggest a FH1500 for a guy who needs a FRFR for its helix. StageSources are working way better if you want to stay in the L6 family. Said that, I now have the Helix out for repair, and I'm using the FH1500 as backup and believe me, the sound it's stellar. The presence in the room and the clarity of the tone it's top notch. All things I never get pairing it with my Helix. Good luck. :)

Thomann, where I bought my own, has 3 years of full warranty but I would not want a unit replace. Would mean getting another unit with probably same issue ready to pop up, soon or later. I do prefer mine to be fixed as it should have been from the factory. My point is does not matter telling other people where we bought our units, as the problem happens on various stores and stocks, from all around the world. Would just mean scaring people about specific stores, which never been a valid variable. Just for example, I'm from Italy and in that same thread you have people from the other side of the globe.

In theory a device using processors, and operative systems, has a back end shutdown cycle, which is engaged as soon as you turn off the unit on the back and this means you should not turn off the device BEFORE the unit built in on/off switch, as this should be pretty much like an abrupt power off.

Yeah. Problem is when you have people who can barely use an hammer, doing soldering for a product which does cost 1500$. As for the floorboard, I use it on a stand. The only day touched the floor was when arrived home, first day (the avatar).

Yeah, I would have been able to fix that myself but I don't want to void the warranty. I've 3 years and it's still to end the first one. Curious it's not first time I read it's more about a soldering issue than a joystick failure. Since there is not any kind of traction on those soldering (I really can't imagine anything moving on the back of the joystick), wondering how bad they have to be to self break after just a bit of time. Probably cold welds there.

Doesn't really matter. I've seen tonnes of these reports in the facebook page and it's all around the world, along the year.

Dunno. All I know is if it will happen again I'll hack the unit and separate the jog from the rotary, installing a planar D pad and a separate rotary selector. Waiting more than a month for this rubbish it does drive me crazy really.

I just hope they'll put in some new version, corrected and improved, and not the same rubbish, or will be same problem in a matter of months.

It's my turn. Joystick gone. Sending the unit back to repair. Sad thing, apart the time I'll have to wait, it's I almost never used that part, as I edit 90% of the time with the PC, and the unit never touched the floor, as I use it on a stand... They must be using crappy 2 cents parts or made out of cheese....

Ebow with a flute impulse response. :)

Whatever format you put in the Helix, this one will be converted to 16Bit Mono 48Khz, so in that Sigma structure you need to pick your samples from the 48 folder.

My average feedback on delays is 10/25%, nothing dramatic, and yeah I'm pretty sure it's related to the trail buffer, which does retain some signal from the tuning process, bouncing back when you lift the tuner switch. The workaround I found today, working in da house, is to set a dedicated snapshot just for tuning, with all these effects turned off. I do use volume pedals but position and assignments are changing, depends on the preset, so I can't use it globally. A good fix from Line6 could be NOT sending signal to the trail buffer while in tuner mode, as I think was doing in the past (?), as I really didn't get this problem with old firmware but as some point I stopped using the Helix tuner, so I don't know when this popped in. Sure it does not sounds right. Interesting is that the BANG does vary with different pickups, even at low guitar volume. With my Gibsons it's the worst.

Yesterday I had a really nasty issue which really upset the mixer guy (and I wasn't happy too lol); usually I don't use the Helix tuner but in the past never had this issue, but yesterday every time I was lifting the tuner footswitch, to go back to patch, a huge BANG was bouncing back the FOH, like if you were plugging a guitar in an amp, without turning down the volume. I've noticed this is on all my presets using a reverb and/or a delay. It's like some trail is happening after switching, flooding the output with a big sound BANG. Long story short, I've been asked to not use the tuner anymore in offline mode and almost forced to not use the Helix at all.... Really bad stuff. (XLR output were used) It's that a know issue? I'm on 2.11 btw.

You guys are really missing the ABC of trolling management. Not good move on feed him...now you are again left holding the bag. He's pretty good on his job. :)

I'll drop the bomb; imho the plink issue just does not exist as a technical issue. Every time I asked someone to describe, was about a different tingy, I never seen a single solid description, nor a sound file, that was proving something..and all these reports are all, more or less, description of normal limitation related to how piezo saddles are working and the very basics difference with a magnetic pickup.. There is also loads of people who think a palm mute on top of a piezo saddle has to produce same tone than a palm mute happening after a magnetic pickup (and not on top of it). This is, alone, a proof someone has no clue how a piezo is working, on its fundamentals. :) Now, duck'n'cover....:D

Nice show off! :D

I'm getting overlapped elements and the entire forum is a huge waste of space. I guess they are working on it just now.

What happened with the forum template...?? I'm getting a mess over here

No it is not a customized. Just a "regular" JTV59 made in USA. Not saying they are not good (at the opposite I've read good words on those), but considering it's a totally niche market, and it's a refurbished one, I'm expecting this guitar sitting there forever. I honestly would be tempted to buy a US 59 (I do love my Korean JTV59!!) but I can't stand a price tag that high because used market it's basically non existent. :)

3999$ for a refurbished US 59? U kidding me? :D

It's for sure a niche effect, but modeling it is dedicated to a niche market, which usually is mostly composed by musicians who likes to experiment outside the typical set of pedals you could buy alone. Usually it's also a good system to know, approach and learn a new range of effects that you could lately buy in a different form (standalone, rack etc). For example, beside the amount of delays in the Helix, there is nothing (ATM) capable to beat the old good DL4. :) As for me I'm a big user of pitch shift and intelligent harmonizers, in various forms, so for me would be a blast to have a polyphonic PS.

The only entity which could say it's not possible, is Line6, but even in that case I would say it's more because they don't want to invest in such pipeline, and I could understand. ;) These days you don't need that huge power you were asking your processors for old FFTs, working (bad) with linear scaling. It all depends how they want to implement such effects (if they want). There are several available approaches to solve same goal, more or less efficient, more or less good. It also depends if they want to add advanced transients detectors, heuristics trackers and much more math in the middle of the pipeline, to reduce tone artifacts before hit the out, but in general we are not talking about flooding DSPs. Sure I would expect some input latency, but that is another kind of issue. It's really a tons of constants and few algos. I would honestly expect a block a bit more demanding than actual harmonizers. Imho problem here it's not the processing power (which by the way should be declared by L6, not by their users), it's to find the time and resources to write down a good set of algos to compete with those stomps. I'm not holding my breath on this, but don't tell me is because it does require more power than the one the Helix has already. That is task overestimation. :)

It's not 1995 anymore guys. Helix is more than good to run a polyphonic pitch shifter.

^ This! ^ Serializing multiple stereo effects, one after the other, its just flooding the signal and making everything muddy, other than kicking on DSPs....