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No Oz... You stated there were "no" contracts, period. He stated " Yes, there are contracts between manufacturers and dealers"... Which is exactly what I stated. Quit grasping at straws dude... :P Edited: Actually, I believe now that we are all wrong in our terminology. I read where a "Distributor Agreement" is a contract between "Distributors and Manufacturers". A "Dealer Agreement" involves a "Distributor and Dealer". Distributors are wholesalers who buy from manufacturers and sell to dealers, while dealers are retailers who buy from distributors and sell to the public. A dealer agreement is a legal document that outlines the terms of contract between a dealer and a distributor or vendor. The details of a dealer agreement typically include the purpose of the contract, the means of payment and the delivery date. The dealer agreement may also include the expected duties and responsibilities of the dealer, and the grounds on which the agreement may be terminated. Dealers are sometimes referred to as retail distributors. So our "Markup" comes from the manufacturer, to the distributor, to the dealer, and everyone of those increase the final cost to us, the buyer... sigh.... Im sorry I even thought about this now.

I wasn't even talking about payment terms or purchases or shipping dates or fees from the Dealer/Retailer to Joe consumer... What I was talking about is what you agreed with, that there are contracts between the manufacturer (Line-6) and the dealer (Sweetwater / Musicians Friend- A.E. Retailer).

Makes sense- thanks!

We are all a legend in our own mind around here glideman..., Well not me personally any longer, but I digress... ; ) We are this way because the Editor is not out yet. I blame Line6

If you are going from acoustic to electric for starters, id concentrate more on finding someone who can give you lessons on the electric side. Find a good teacher. Once you learn that sound and feel for the electric guitar its a simple matter of just turning up the gain (not volume), and or compression sustain.

Arnt you the lucky one then.... ;) You married yet Oz? Wont you be surprised when that contractual agreement fails... I wasn't talking about real estate either BTW, but she will get the house and auto, per the divorce decree/contract....You will get pay child support payments for 18 years per said agreement, and if you ever get a raise she can and will take you back to court to "modify" the contract. Better sell that Helix now bud... :lol: :P :D

Well put, and I agree about Pete being a real Pro, as well as a good guitar player.

You mean "delivery dates to retailers", from the manufacturer and yes, if Line-6 or any other company signed on the dotted line that they will deliver a said product by a certain date and then don't, they there will be repercussions and penalties (fees) may apply. Most contracts allow for leeway and special circumstances, but there are set dates that must be met. But you really think that release dates on products (hardware and software) just happen whenever they feel like it, no strings attached, and the dates are pulled from thin air? Really? Ya know, just because there are sometimes unforeseen delays does not mean there wasn't an agreement beforehand, and that even mention these delays. You know this, right? You can't be that naive- yer pulling my chain arnt you... you bugger you- Good one hehehe.... ;) BTW- I can tell you that contractors who have to wait for companies to change something in the process so that they can go back to work, back charge the company they are doing the work for, per every day they are delayed from completing their contractual completion date, per the contract.

No I didnt. I just held back because it wouldn't have convinced anyone so stuck in their own opinionated concrete... ;)

LOL +1

Remove the usb cable from Helix, and uninstall the drivers. Reboot, and then reinstall the the drivers without plugging in the Helix unit. Then reboot again. When Windows 7 has rebooted, plug in the Helix to a usb connector. Windows should then find Helix and connect to it. At this point you should be able to see it connected, and update it in Windows 7. Hope this helped.

They will eventually fix this, either with faster processing or a new idea. I remember when the Line-6 spokesman once told me on their own forum that the Variax would never have alternate tunings. It was just too unreliable sound wise...

You could say that "their" boxes are missing features, but Im glad you didn't. Why? There are many things the Helix has that are great, and many it doesn't compared to the Axe FX II XL, or the KPA. Ive owned both so this is not speculation. I hope that one day Helix will have calibrated foot controller menus with percentages on when it will engage, and sloped vector settings for how the controller responds from heel down to toe down, heel off wah and effects settings with fast, medium, or slow speeds selectable from the menu, Workbench support, an editor worth its salt, multiple cab combining support, thumb-drive memory backup, and the list go's on and on... Of course one boxes features is another's poison... So as always YMMV. As far as releasing it too early, you met your obligations and its a very nice sounding unit with lots of promise. I bought one because of this. But, Right now it would make better argument to brag about what Helix will become one day, rather than what the competition doesn't currently have on the newly released Helix, because I believe there are things it needs that the others already have. Thanks...

Dude... There is "always" a contract. And they could care less about what you and I think in this regard... Esp. on dated "end of life" products who's sales records have slipped drastically since its initial release. This is purely business practice and has nothing to do with how butt-hurt we "the customer" become when our pre-amp is no longer supported or sold. You think people will stop buying Line-6 gear just because your upset about their future HD support or Im mad because they don't support the Vetta amp? I really don't know where you got your info, but there is always a contract between the makers and their entities , and sellers (retailers/music stores). Always. Period. These companies sign agreements between one another as to when something will be released and on what date it will ship, what parts will be available during ramp up on the production line, contracts with the companies making said parts, marketing of said product, retailer shelf space, etc etc etc. There are agreements via contracts signed on how much it will cost each vendor per item, per bulk, markup of said item between vendors, etc. There are contracts on the box manufacturer the product ships in, the label maker, the art department, hell theres even a contract with the taco truck driver in their parking lot at lunch time! The vendor has signed agreements made with retailers, marketers, and even the shipper to deliver said product on time. So who ever convinced you that things just happen will-nilly like magic and without signed agreement, are very mistaken.

But- (and there is always a but) OTOH... There was a contractual date assigned to the release of Helix to the general public, whether or not certain things were shall we say, the best it could be at the time of release, or not. This date is binding, and a penalty of breach of contract among other fines and bad looks apply. Now, Im not saying that this is the wrong way for any business to work(esp. in these times) , Im just saying it is what it is. Bottom line is If that means there are things to be fixed and improved on later after release, thats just the way it will be handled, ready or not now, because the release met its by god contractual release date. And the consumer has to abide by this because there is no other option available. Im not bad mouthing Line-6 any more than the other million companies that do this, to meet their obligations, and Ive ordered a Helix myself. I can tell you my opinion is that this is not the way I would have wanted it done given the option. Which leads me to another point. A thriving and successful business stays that way by introducing new products that sell, and not by continuing to patch an old tire. Case in point- the Vetta II amp, once Line 6's flagship amp, dropped like a hot potato when the time came, and later model pod pros' and the HD's came off the drawing board and into production. The same will happen with Helix at some point, whether we are ready or not. Patching an old tire at that point is futile. And that my friends is what the business world calls progress. I call it in much simpler terms, survival. It already has... ;)

I haven't tried that yet with Helix, but that's what I do with my KPA, sending one signal to a 1960a cab with IR off, and the stereo outs with IR on to my DAW.

Indeed!

Wrong IMHO. Low cost usually means low quality sound tone wise, and you will get the wrong impressions. A better idea would be to find a person with a good quality (Atomic CLRs or Line 6 L2m/L3T etc) FRFR setup, and go listen. Then and only then will you know if that sound is what you want in your setup.

And as with everything else and esp. with guitar preamps and FRFR speakers, you get what you pay for in most cases. Thats not to say that a good guitar player can make a cheap guitar sound good, cause they can. But you get the point I hope... ;)

Unless you know a real Line-6 Leprechaun, unfortunately we won't know the when until its released.

Ran crossed this only tonight so sorry if you have already seen this. I know most of the the tone is suppose ta come from the fingers, but these Helix patches by Glenn are as close as any Ive heard anyone do regarding SRV's classic tone.

Nice looking board!

Any woodworking tools? If so, just add a wedge on both sides of the pedalboard using velcro and set your Helix on the wedges. Adjust for fit. Done!

Well since I own 2 CLR's that opinion was VERY nice to read!!! YMMV as always, but Thanks!

Would like to know this as well!