RipperShred Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Cool there's a bunch of old favorites from the x3 line making their way into HD line. Are these models (agro, insane, etc) revamped-to-HD-quality standards, or has L6 found a way to just port old models over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 They are not revamped with HD standards. Just ports. At least that's what Digital_Igloo basically stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienux Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 If that's the case, is there a list of which models in which packs are HD and which are not? I just re-read the lists on the firmware update info page and in one of the other threads that includes the list and prices, and I realized it doesn't mention anything about HD or not HD (unless I missed something). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The only ones that aren't 'at least' HD (I'm not sure what 'at least' means, but Digital_Igloo said that) are the ones ported from the earlier generation units. All the rest are HD (at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipperShred Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 Yeah, DI pretty much said only the three named amps are HD ones, the rest are straight X3/POD FARM ports, so now I've got mixed feelings about it. Still think I'm willing to pay for it, but 7/10 models are filler/padding so that 50 bucks seems kind of steep now. And I use the term filler/padding because apparently absolutely nothing has been done to them - no tweaking, no reworking, just straight up ports from the X3/pod farm. If they were reworked/remastered HD versions of those amps I'd be totally cool with the 50 bucks, but knowing they're ports feels like the pricing's off. Seems a little dishonest to me; 4+ yrs into the products life cycle with all the HD hype marketing sticking old stuff in the box now and not being up front about it seems like shifty marketing. They had to be like "we only have 3 new models to offer, but no one's going pay 50 bucks for three models, so let's toss 7 more models from old tech so people will look at it like 'hey, 10 models for 50 bucks - that's 5 bucks a model! What a deal!' we can't lose!" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The thing that worries me the most about these packs is buying them, of which I'd probably just get all of them, and then find out later this year that the next gen HD series is announced with a probable fourth quarter release. DI said 2015 is the year for guitar players and that the current namm isn't the only trade show this year. I suppose selling an hd500 or hd500x with model packs would increase it's resale value, but still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I am curious if the deep editing parameters will effect the X3 amps though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjnette Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Oh man , only three are actually HD models, Don't tell me, there is one in each pack? It is a bit pricey for us third world countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 POD HD 2.6 Global EQ—Three fully parametric bands plus low and high cut filters, available from an additional Setup menu page; we had to do quite a bit of clever optimization to fit Global EQ, and you might see a tiny bit of extra DSP for other blocks (a few percent perhaps) Metal Pack ($49)—Peavey 5150 (block logo), Bogner Shiva, Remastered JCM800 (model 2204), plus favorite POD Farm models Insane, Big Bottom, Varaic'ed Plexi, Purge, Aggro, Smash, and Octone Vintage Pack ($49)—Orange OR-80, Roland JC-120, Fender Champ (Tweed), VOX AC30 Fawn Normal, VOX AC30 Fawn Bright, JC-120 cab, Fender Champ cab, plus POD Farm Acoustic Bass Pack ($29)—Ampeg SVT Normal, Ampeg SVT Bright, Gallien-Kruger 800RB, SVT 8x10 cab, SVT 410 HLF cab Fully Loaded ($99)—All three packs I count 11 'at least' HD models, plus 4 new cabs, plus the non-HD stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipperShred Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 Only three in the metal pack, the other packs have HD models too. Apparently the vintage is all HD except for the "acoustic" model, and the bass models are all good too. Just the metal pack that got the 3. I'm still probably going to buy it, as picking up an XTC Red pedal used is still more expensive than this pack. I was really just about to pull the trigger on the pedal, and this came out, and if the Shiva model does its namesake justice it will have saved me 100-200 bucks. Just wish there was more on offer for genuinely new and true-HD models in the metal dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjnette Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 POD HD 2.6 Global EQ—Three fully parametric bands plus low and high cut filters, available from an additional Setup menu page; we had to do quite a bit of clever optimization to fit Global EQ, and you might see a tiny bit of extra DSP for other blocks (a few percent perhaps) Metal Pack ($49)—Peavey 5150 (block logo), Bogner Shiva, Remastered JCM800 (model 2204), plus favorite POD Farm models Insane, Big Bottom, Varaic'ed Plexi, Purge, Aggro, Smash, and Octone Vintage Pack ($49)—Orange OR-80, Roland JC-120, Fender Champ (Tweed), VOX AC30 Fawn Normal, VOX AC30 Fawn Bright, JC-120 cab, Fender Champ cab, plus POD Farm Acoustic Bass Pack ($29)—Ampeg SVT Normal, Ampeg SVT Bright, Gallien-Kruger 800RB, SVT 8x10 cab, SVT 410 HLF cab Fully Loaded ($99)—All three packs I count 11 'at least' HD models, plus 4 new cabs, plus the non-HD stuff. Thanks for the reassurance dunncan, Lets face it who is not going to get the bundle. Incidently, you have a HD500 and HD500X. I presume you'll just need to buy one bungle and install on both? I ask as I am about to pull the trigger on a HD500 in need of repair for cheap and the bungle will be an incentive if I can get it working. USB problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Thanks for the reassurance dunncan, Lets face it who is not going to get the bundle. Incidently, you have a HD500 and HD500X. I presume you'll just need to buy one bungle and install on both? I ask as I am about to pull the trigger on a HD500 in need of repair for cheap and the bungle will be an incentive if I can get it working. USB problem Digital_Igloo said they still have to work out the details of it all, but it will probably work like packs with the x3, however that was. Buy one pack, at least two devices sounds good to me. The thing I'm more worried about is Line 6 announcing the next gen HD device at the next trade show later this year. That would likely make purchasing the packs not worthwhile, or a short lived use of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Saxman Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 POD HD 2.6 Global EQ—Three fully parametric bands plus low and high cut filters, available from an additional Setup menu page; we had to do quite a bit of clever optimization to fit Global EQ, and you might see a tiny bit of extra DSP for other blocks (a few percent perhaps) Metal Pack ($49)—Peavey 5150 (block logo), Bogner Shiva, Remastered JCM800 (model 2204), plus favorite POD Farm models Insane, Big Bottom, Varaic'ed Plexi, Purge, Aggro, Smash, and Octone Vintage Pack ($49)—Orange OR-80, Roland JC-120, Fender Champ (Tweed), VOX AC30 Fawn Normal, VOX AC30 Fawn Bright, JC-120 cab, Fender Champ cab, plus POD Farm Acoustic Bass Pack ($29)—Ampeg SVT Normal, Ampeg SVT Bright, Gallien-Kruger 800RB, SVT 8x10 cab, SVT 410 HLF cab Fully Loaded ($99)—All three packs Hey, there is a new "Pete Anderson Custom" in the vintage pack: http://line6.com/pod-firmware-update/ Country/roots-rock stuff, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 don't discount the potential DSP benefit of running the older models.... you might be able to inject the "flavor" of these older models into a dual path scenario that would be otherwise impossible if both models were HD. that and those older models have never been on a platform with M-series effects... just saying... there's alot of wait and see here.... and i'm sure that they'll have the 30 day return policy like they have with other model packs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 even if that's the case.... you're talking about 100$ for model packs vs at least 500$ if they announce an HD replacement... Which they've already stated they aren't making the HD end of life... and the firmware release itself shows they still have an interest in adding value/continuing with the HD pods also. and then there's always the fact that just because something new comes out.... doesn't make what you have now any less than what it is.... Digital_Igloo said they still have to work out the details of it all, but it will probably work like packs with the x3, however that was. Buy one pack, at least two devices sounds good to me. The thing I'm more worried about is Line 6 announcing the next gen HD device at the next trade show later this year. That would likely make purchasing the packs not worthwhile, or a short lived use of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I really love this update that's coming and I can't wait. I'd love to hear the HD 5150. Definitely using that for my In Flames patches over the Mesa. I'm getting the all 3 pack for sure. I think paying for it is fine especially from how much we're getting. I'm also really glad for the EQ because it'll help shape up the tone better. The models sound great but some of them need heavy post EQ in a mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 and then there's always the fact that just because something new comes out.... doesn't make what you have now any less than what it is.... Intellectually I know this. But speaking for myself, and as it relates to technology improvements, there's an irrational, psychological component that says the next generation is as good as purchased. It's simply going to be better than the previous generation and allow for more versatility and functionality, hopefully, if it follows how technology generally evolves over time. Even though what's currently right in front of me is perfectly fine. Just have to see firsthand what's around the next corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 i fall into the same trap! :) i know i'll at least want to check out whatever comes out for myself.... Intellectually I know this. But speaking for myself, and as it relates to technology improvements, there's an irrational, psychological component that says the next generation is as good as purchased. It's simply going to be better than the previous generation and allow for more versatility and functionality, hopefully, if it follows how technology generally evolves over time. Even though what's currently right in front of me is perfectly fine. Just have to see firsthand what's around the next corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipperShred Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'm interested to see what the next box will be like, but honestly, the 5150, Shiva and Variac'ed Plexi probably solve a lot of if not most of my problems for me; I really was about to get a Bogner XTC red pedal because I couldn't get that/those tones out of the POD HD PRO as it is. And even though I'm not thrilled at the X3 models not getting a new coat of HD paint I'm sure they'll round out what I need for metal amps, so I'm going to need something compelling to move up. Don't get me wrong, I want it to be compelling. If the value's there, the tone's there, and the multiplicity of amp and fx models are there, I'm ready to give it a whirl. However, with 10 more metal amp channels to mess around with it will definitely do a lot to alleviate any G.A.S. I've got at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 How would one honestly "revamp it to be HD"? When you change it, it might as well not be those amps anymore. If there's a way to incorporate deep edit parameters, then I understand, but "HDifying" these amps basically means they aren't those amps to begin with, but based on them. They're not real amps like the others they model, they're originals by Line 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipperShred Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 What the heck do you mean? So are you saying that the HD SLO is no different than the X3 SLO? Or the Dual Rec, or any of the other amps in the HD line? Then what dafaq was the point of moving to the HD platform if they're the same? It's the same thing dude. Originals or not, they can be improved upon. Better dynamics, more organic gain, etc etc. They can be enhanced without becoming fundamentally different, otherwise we'd all still be rocking an XT for crying out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 the thing is... they aren't going to sound identical to the x versions... they are more likely to take advantage of the newer tech in some way... and since they aren't baked in yet... so to speak... making those minor tweaks isn't going to mess up anyones tones... i suspect they will be sort of an x-series plus... whatever that means :) we already know they are getting paired with HD cabs for example..... no x-series cab's coming through.... the mic models are HD.... etc etc... no idea if they'll get the deep edit treatment... How would one honestly "revamp it to be HD"? When you change it, it might as well not be those amps anymore. If there's a way to incorporate deep edit parameters, then I understand, but "HDifying" these amps basically means they aren't those amps to begin with, but based on them. They're not real amps like the others they model, they're originals by Line 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 i think what he means... is that the x-series models where the x-series models.... the HD models were all new... completely modeled from the ground up again and have no correlation to the models in the x-series. the x-series models that are coming over... are NOT being remodeled.. they are being translated so to speak. so they aren't getting the "HD" treatment.... however, as you can tell from my last post... i do expect that there will be some improvement. What the heck do you mean? So are you saying that the HD SLO is no different than the X3 SLO? Or the Dual Rec, or any of the other amps in the HD line? Then what dafaq was the point of moving to the HD platform if they're the same? It's the same thing dude. Originals or not, they can be improved upon. Better dynamics, more organic gain, etc etc. They can be enhanced without becoming fundamentally different, otherwise we'd all still be rocking an XT for crying out loud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipperShred Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 I use my HD Pro as a preamp/fx unit with a traditional power amp. It's been quite a while since I had access to an XT, so I'd like to know if the preamp-only version of the model is going to sound the same as it would in my HD Pro? If it does, while being the L6 fanboy that I am, I feel just a little disappointed about that. 50 bucks isn't pocket change to me, so I like to know that if I'm buying a HD model pack that I'm getting my HD's money's worth. :-P If it sounds better - and by better I mean more dynamic, and more organic gain, etc. than I feel better about that money being spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillBee Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I am looking forward to using some of the XT/X3 series amps with the HD500s FX and FX loop (the 4cm of the X3 was so-so). Being able to rearrange the chain should add alot of life and spice. *woot* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stowmd Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Question: If I purchase these model packs and add to my Pod HD desktop, can I also add them to a Pod HD500X, if I decide to purchase that unit down the road..? I think you would only be able to put these on one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Consensus seems to be it will be like the previous models and you can load them on up to 4 separate devices but I haven't seen that written as a definitive fact yet. If I purchase these model packs and add to my Pod HD desktop, can I also add them to a Pod HD500X, if I decide to purchase that unit down the road..? I think you would only be able to put these on one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stowmd Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Thanks, I looked at my model packs for the toneport in my account and that makes sense hopefully they use the same strategy supporting up to 4 units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jballard2140 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Are any of the new model packs going to be available to install on the DT series amps as a native topography? It's the same modeling, correct? They just need to make it so that it can be installed via the DT Editor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 they have not announced any updates to the DT.... of course if the DT is connected to a pod, i'm sure that it will work as expected.... the DT amps on their own.. highly unlikely. Are any of the new model packs going to be available to install on the DT series amps as a native topography? It's the same modeling, correct? They just need to make it so that it can be installed via the DT Editor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 the thing is... they aren't going to sound identical to the x versions... they are more likely to take advantage of the newer tech in some way... and since they aren't baked in yet... so to speak... making those minor tweaks isn't going to mess up anyones tones... i suspect they will be sort of an x-series plus... whatever that means :) we already know they are getting paired with HD cabs for example..... no x-series cab's coming through.... the mic models are HD.... etc etc... no idea if they'll get the deep edit treatment... Well if it's going to be those amps but with better response, I then that's cool, but once you cross a line, it's not really those amps, but based on those amps. Honestly I wouldn't mind that though. Versions of those amps with a lot more realism to it, but again, it's more based on, than actually being it. Like I've said, you can do that with a real amp because you're objective is getting the sound to be more close and real to the amp it's representing. I can't wait though. I knew getting an HD over an X3 was a smart idea. I get better sounding amps, and I'm getting legacy amps at the same time anyways. Frankly I'm not the biggest older POD fan when it comes to having modern modelers at my disposal, as we all know, modeling has improved constantly over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innovine Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 When will they be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 sometime 1st quarter... so within a couple of months, hopefully sooner. When will they be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RipperShred Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hoping sooner rather than later. Actually looking forward to this now. Really interested in hearing some clips/seeing some videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebluetones Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Will the update be avail for the HD400, or is it just for the HD500/500X? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Only for 500 500x pro pro x and bean. Not for 300 or 400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 300 and 400 are as far as they'll ever go. They were cheaper entries to the HD series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebluetones Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Ahh...too bad. I really like my HD400 model, and have had a rough time every time I rent one of the 500's. Mind you, I still have my XT with the model packs, so maybe I should dust it off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjnette Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hoping sooner rather than later. Actually looking forward to this now. Really interested in hearing some clips/seeing some videos. Yeah me too. I'm hanging around like a fly around a bucket of prawns(shrimps) LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Yeah me too. I'm hanging around like a fly around a bucket of prawns(shrimps) LOL The month March was mentioned in some threads. I think it's accurate. I think DigitalIgloo actually said it but not sure. I'm pretty sure that's accurate. Sooner would be GREAT! But I'm expecting March sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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