mdvolk1234 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I had a sound guy suggest a DI box from the POD to the PA. Has anyone done this? Is this unnecessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I had a sound guy suggest a DI box from the POD to the PA. Has anyone done this? Is this unnecessary? totally unnecessary to my mind. Maybe there is something specific at that venue but I doubt it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelForbin Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Tell the soundguy that the XLR outputs from the HD500 are MIC level - NOT line level. He may be thinking that you are sending him line levels. I was mixed up on that previously; think about the HD500 output as being comparable to a mic in front of a guitar amp or cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scias23 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I use a DI to go direct to PA because my patches have stacked delays (digital delay on dotted eighth and analog echo on quarter note) and room reverb after the amp. XLRs don't sum the signal in mono so I need a way to combine the left and right channel. If I go direct to PA using one XLR out of the POD (the PA setup is mono), I feel the delay repeats are somewhat lacking, probably because the other channel is missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jandrio Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 most mixing consoles have the option of providing phantom power thru the xlr connections 2 power condenser mics.technically speaking, phantom power is a positive voltage (12–48 V DC) on XLR pins 2 and 3 with respect to pin 1 (the cable shield is connected 2 the phantom-power ground).when hd500(x) xlr'ed direct 2 pa, do NOT forget 2 ask the sound guy 2 cut-off phantom power in2 ur xlr connections...usage of a di box by default cuts off phantom power, since the 1/4" jacks r connected in2 the hd500(x).also, 1/4" cables have a length limit, so if the console is "far" enough from ur on-stage hd500(x), the sound guy MUST use xlr lines thru the so called "snake" (a bunch of many-many-may cables connecting the stage with the mixing board). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertmcollins3 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I just bring a DI box with me just in case. I've used just the XLR before and the signal was very weak. They may not have had stuff hooked up right, but often there is no time to argue at rehearsal. Hooking into the DI usually solves the issue and doesn't make the sound any worse, if not it seems better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Some guys are paranoid (or just overly cautious due to previous experiences). I used to hate plugging my electronics in to a bar outlet. I always made someone do it for me. I've seen too many arcs fly across the room. He probably just doesn't want to lose his gear in the event of a short. And you should feel the same in the event that he is a "self fixer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jandrio Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 it is a sound idea 2 power ur electronics+amps via ups providing both uninterruptible power supply , voltage regulation, surge protection, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCproducer Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I always ask for a DI exactly for the phantom power reason - Im paranoid it might fry my hd500x if they send it by mistake which is easy to do. Some goes for the direct out of my dt25 - does anyone know for sure if its safe or alternatively if it will hurt your device if they accidentally send 48v? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scias23 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I always ask for a DI exactly for the phantom power reason - Im paranoid it might fry my hd500x if they send it by mistake which is easy to do. Some goes for the direct out of my dt25 - does anyone know for sure if its safe or alternatively if it will hurt your device if they accidentally send 48v? I read somewhere here that the POD will ignore the phantom power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jandrio Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I read somewhere here that the POD will ignore the phantom power. where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joel_brown Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 As a part time sound guy, I know our snake doesn't have 1/4 inputs, only XLR. It could be something as simple as that. We always bring 1/4 to XLR adapters but they're not always as reliable as a DI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 but the HD500 uses XLR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie_Watt Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 XLR is the best way to connect your pod to PA. It works well with long cables. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I always ask for a DI exactly for the phantom power reason - Im paranoid it might fry my hd500x if they send it by mistake which is easy to do. Some goes for the direct out of my dt25 - does anyone know for sure if its safe or alternatively if it will hurt your device if they accidentally send 48v? Phantom power will not hurt the POD. The DC voltage for phantom power is on the 2 and 3 pins in an XLR connections and it's in reference to the ground pin, so as long as there's no connection between those pins and the ground (which there shouldn't be), it will be ignored. So you really don't need to worry about it. Many mixers don't actually allow to turn phantom power off for individual channels - it's either off or on for the entire board. So sometimes asking the sound guy to turn it off isn't feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftzilla Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 DI with HD500 is not necessary at all between the XLR and the Quarter Inch outputs. For the instances when I use our bands PA at gigs I run Quarter inch direct since I am close to the board. In all other cases where I have played through a house PA the sound man has used XLR outs. The one time a sound guy thought he would need to use a DI for my output changed his mind when he saw the XLRs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bboulay769 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I use a DI to go direct to PA because my patches have stacked delays (digital delay on dotted eighth and analog echo on quarter note) and room reverb after the amp. XLRs don't sum the signal in mono so I need a way to combine the left and right channel. If I go direct to PA using one XLR out of the POD (the PA setup is mono), I feel the delay repeats are somewhat lacking, probably because the other channel is missing. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scias23 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 where? Phantom power will not hurt the POD. The DC voltage for phantom power is on the 2 and 3 pins in an XLR connections and it's in reference to the ground pin, so as long as there's no connection between those pins and the ground (which there shouldn't be), it will be ignored. So you really don't need to worry about it. Many mixers don't actually allow to turn phantom power off for individual channels - it's either off or on for the entire board. So sometimes asking the sound guy to turn it off isn't feasible. I've experienced having the phantom power active while using XLR out of the POD in the past. Never had any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceatl Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Phil, I need a beer for each time you have answered this one...check you contract... :D http://line6.com/supportarchivenew/thread/86741/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musical1212 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 You do not need a DI. The HD500X is the best DI I have ever used. When customers ask me for a DI for guitar or bass, I recommend the HD500X. Tell your sound man to use both XLR outputs. People on the users forum seem to wonder about the fact that these two outputs are mic level. All mixing consoles with XLR inputs are made for mic and line level. That's what the gain and pad controls are for. I wonder what reasoning the soundman is using? Maybe lack of knowledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Phil, I need a beer for each time you have answered this one...check you contract... :D http://line6.com/supportarchivenew/thread/86741/ It's like they say - "write about what you know"... :) I probably have answered this question a dozen times or so over the years. I think, though, it's understandable. If people aren't too familiar with sound systems, phantom power can be a somewhat vague concept. Heck, even it's name is mysterious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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