kahlrichurds Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Hello! So I am playing a show in a few weeks, and I am currently running my helix to a powered speaker for monitoring (with a flat EQ of course). I am thinking about trying to send a signal with the same tone/eq/etc to FOH just so they can crank it in their monitors more. Am I overthinking this, or can I simply run a 1/4" cable to my speaker via 1/4" OUT L output, and run another 1/4" to XLR to the FOH via the 1/4" OUT R output? I am trying it with my interface, and the exact same tone is coming through both outputs (which is what I am looking for). Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtFarmer Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 It really is that simple. Is your floor monitor a PA type speaker (frfr)? If so then ya, it should sound very similar in the FOH and Monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 You can run one signal (either 1/4 or XLR) to front of house then the other signal to your powered speaker. You can assign the big volume knob to only control your powered speaker and not the FOH signal, so you can adjust your own volume without messing with FOH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 One thing to do for this is in the Global area, you can assign the main volume knob to control only the 1/4" outputs so you can adjust the level going to your monitor and not effect the XLR output level. When you do this the XLR outputs act as if they are turned up all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Oh, someone beat me to it. How dare they!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splitcathode Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Its my understanding (which I have very little of) that if you plug into right and left, that the right will be half of a stereo signal (if you have stereo blocks) may not sound right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 You probably want to set your XLR to FOH to MIC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themetallikid Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Where is that setting? I've been wanting to do this as I run the same way. I've been going to my powered wedge, and then using the 'link output' to go to the mains, but there is a balance of signal strength then. I'd rather run the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 It's in the Global settings under Ins/Outs. The XLR choices are line/mic and the 1/4" choices are line/instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 GlobalSettings - Ins/Outs - Page2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, rd2rk said: GlobalSettings - Ins/Outs - Page2 Ha, beat ya! (couldn't remember the page number though) ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themetallikid Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thanks guys, I'll play with this tonight, seems like it'd be easier than trying to reach behind and under a powered wedge, lol. Will I need to alert the sound guy for any weird volume signal issue then with that change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 hours ago, themetallikid said: Thanks guys, I'll play with this tonight, seems like it'd be easier than trying to reach behind and under a powered wedge, lol. Will I need to alert the sound guy for any weird volume signal issue then with that change? Using the big knob for your 1/4" monitor send, the FOH will get a steady mic level signal. No worries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunedinDragon Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 13 hours ago, kahlrichurds said: Hello! So I am playing a show in a few weeks, and I am currently running my helix to a powered speaker for monitoring (with a flat EQ of course). I am thinking about trying to send a signal with the same tone/eq/etc to FOH just so they can crank it in their monitors more. Am I overthinking this, or can I simply run a 1/4" cable to my speaker via 1/4" OUT L output, and run another 1/4" to XLR to the FOH via the 1/4" OUT R output? I am trying it with my interface, and the exact same tone is coming through both outputs (which is what I am looking for). Thanks! Apparently everyone missed what you said. There's no reason to send the signal to the board using the 1/4" out R output. Just send it using the XLR L/mono output to the board. You could be inviting problems if you happen to use a stereo effect. In that case you'd get one side of the stereo in your monitor and one side at the board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I run mine XLR right, set to mic level, to FOH. If you are changing yours from line to mic level, yes there will be a volume drop at the board so your sound person will have to bring your level up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestOpinion Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 10 hours ago, DunedinDragon said: Apparently everyone missed what you said. There's no reason to send the signal to the board using the 1/4" out R output. Just send it using the XLR L/mono output to the board. You could be inviting problems if you happen to use a stereo effect. In that case you'd get one side of the stereo in your monitor and one side at the board. DD is correct. The output coming from the XLR and 1/4 outputs should be almost identical if they are both set to instrument or line(and close even if they aren't) unless you have different Helix routes feeding them. Either the left 1/4 or left XLR outputs automatically sum the Helix's inherently stereo signal path to mono. So... although you could make the last block in your signal chain a mono block which would ensure the same signal from the left and right inputs that approach is inherently limiting and unnecessary. Just use the left summing outputs instead for mono and run XLR (usually to FOH) and run 1/4 to your stage monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkleiner Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 If I am using XLR cables only, can I send the one to my powered mono and the other to FOH and still be able to control the volume knob on the monitor’s out only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestOpinion Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 6 hours ago, dkleiner said: If I am using XLR cables only, can I send the one to my powered mono and the other to FOH and still be able to control the volume knob on the monitor’s out only? Nope, if you assign the volume knob to control only the XLR out it will control both XLR left and right. If you have both XLR outputs plugged in the volume knob will control both. There is no setting to only control for example the left XLR while the right XLR is also plugged in. It is hard to envision why you would want to run it this way. It will needlessly complicate and limit your preset design. If the problem is that both your FOH and monitor only have XLR inputs then use a DI box, a convertor, or a 1/4 to XLR cable for the monitor using the left 1/4 output on the Helix for the monitor and the left XLR output for FOH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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