bobcoss

Hi, I did something like this a couple of months ago with my Mooer GE150 (my Helix emergency backup) and I have the HXE Send at instrument ( because I want the effects in front of the amp simm in the GE150 to be at instrument level, and the return at line (which is what the output for the GE150 does). It sounds great. I was shocked how well the amp and cab sim sounds in that cheap multieffects. I don't plan on taking both the HXE and the GE150 as a backup, but I was thinking about building a small board with the two as a small lightweight travel board. Bob

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When I'm at home and in a "small room" I crank my tube amp up! Drives my wife crazy. But if I don't want to be loud. I use my Helix and PowerCab + 112 at lower volumes. There are going to be differences in the EQ at lower volumes than at stage volumes. I personally don't bother with the tube amp at home much any more. The Helix provides everything I need. It's very nice going to gig without carrying a tube amp and cabinet now. If you have to practice with the tube amp, then I would get a reactive load box with and IR loader so you can use roughly the same settings and saturate the tubes. There Two Notes and Suhr are very popular.

I have the HD500x, Helix Floor, and DT25. I don't use the DT25 much any more. I use it when I want to get the amp in the room feel sometimes. When I use either of the multi-effects units, there is a lot of flexibility and the sounds is great. I have never noticed the digital artifacts other talk about. I do make sure I am carefully setting up my gain staging of my distortion pedals and the preamp for the guitar I'm using. If you already have the DT25, you have an idea of what the HD500 is going to sound like. The preamps in the DT25 come from from the standard HD models, and the reverbs as well. With our load box and IR loader, you can get a lot of flexibility with the DT25. Though I might point out that the DT25 has most of that advantage built in. You can select the output topology and cabinet in the DT25, and that goes to XLR out. You might get some unexpected variations including the load box. The control of the DT25 from both units is very good. You can set your patches to control everything. That said. for the last couple of years I play mostly the Helix Floor through my PowerCab+ 112 and though headrush 112 FRFR speakers more than anything. Happy playing!

Since AMP1 is working no matter how you cabled it up, why don't you try the 5 cable method using only the preamp of amp1 Cable #1 Guitar=> Helix LT Guitar Input Fx Loop 1 block Cable #2 Helix LT Send #1=> Amp#1 Main Input Cable #3 Amp#1 FX Loop Send => Helix LT Return #1 Cable #4 Helix LT 1/4 Left Output => Amp#1 FX Loop Return Cable Cable #5 Helix LT 1/4 Right Output => Amp#2 FX Loop Return Cable Then if it's not working, swap cable 4 and 5 with Amp1 and 2's return. If they problem swaps, then you might have a helix issue or the effects returns are expecting different levels or the output of the two preamps is different. Still not working properly? You could then switch to using AMP 2's preamp and see if AMP1 is now much louder. Hope you get it figured out!

I have both a DT25 and PowerCab 112+. Both work great with my HD500x and Helix. I have to say that I use my PowerCab 112+ more than the DT25 now. It's just easier to deal with. Both sound fantastic. For the HD500, if you want you can use the preamp with the DT25, and you specify the speaker emulation/mic, and the DT25 adjusts, and you have full control over the topology of the amp. Some people use a full amp model because they like the sounds. When you use it with the PowerCab, none of the amp controls work, and you mostly use the PC as a FRFR speaker, or you use the PC+ and an Impulse Response, or a "speaker emulation". When you do that, you probably would want to use "none" for the speaker model in the HD500. I was bummed that you can't use both DT25 and PC at the same time with the L6Link cable. I won't be making video comparisons or anything beyond my description above.

I did it in various configurations with the HX Effects before I bought my Helix Floor. It depends on what you want to do with it of course. Stomp going into pod would allow you to have all the nice dirt boxes in front of the amp and then just use the HD500 for volume pedal, delays and reverbs etc. You should be able to send midi from the HD500 to control the stomp and use the tap temp of the HD500 to set timing.

That should work. Setting up the delay and reverb can be a challenge if you don't want to hear any of the dry signal in the mix with the wet. I got the best result running the delay and reverb in parallel with the mix all the way up to block the dry signal. If you want the reverb on the delay repeats, you can always add another reverb after the delay for them. lots of things to try. Going Stereo is a lot easier and cheaper!

I think I'm interpreting what you are saying as the following: Guitar -> HX Input L(mono) -> Send Block (Send @ 100%, Dry @ 100%) -> Split Y -> (Path A) -> Delay -> Mixer -> Volume block -> output L (mono) (Path B from Split Y ) -> Reverb -> Mixer -> - Assign the reverb and delay to a controller and you can bypass them normally and block the dry signal with the volume block. - Dry signal goes out the Send 1 Left. Is that what you are looking for?

I've used headphone out before with computer speakers and a small bluetooth speaker with an aux in jack.. It worked fine.

If you use the output section to control the PC+ parameters, you won't see the values change on the PC+ as values change....

Once upon a time I hooked up my DT25 via L6l panned to the left channel, and used the 1/4 out on the HD500 to my Peavy Classic 30's effects return. I messed around with a number of variations. There isn't two channels on the DT25 so you can get Stereo as psarkissian mentioned. I got nice stereo separation from them. I don't remember exactly how I did it. But without question, you can take one of the 1/4 out into DT25 guitar in , and the other to a different amp and get stereo. I never bothered to buy another DT25 to do stereo because I've made a pact with myself to never buy another tube amp. I only use them at home for fooling around now. There are nice affordable FRFR options these days if you want. My biggest dissapointment about the Powercab Plus 112 was that I couldn't chain the DT25 and the PC+ to do strereo. Oh well...

I do think it's worthwhile to mix/match amp models, cabinets and mics is a whorthwhile endeavor. The problem is that matching a guitarists recorded tone is challenging. Among the challenges are the post processing that studios do after recording, and the quality of the headphones/speakers used to reproduce the song. Spider V has a lot of flexibility, but you might need to add pedals or try a different modeling system to get what you are looking for. Set your expectations to get "close" enough to be happy and just play guitar!

Tone matching is always a challenge. Downloading a patch almost always sounds different because the person creating the patch uses a different guitar, pickups, room setup etc. When building the patch, I would start out with the amp with the default cab and tweak the gain and tone knobs till it is faily close. You may want to try different Marshall variants of which there are a lot on Spider V. Then try different cabinets and microphones until you find something you think is closest. It could be that the artist sets the gain on the amp model to edge of breakup and throws a distortion or overdrive pedal in front of it. The combinations are a bit overwhelming. It's never going to be an exact match.

I have the spider V 240hc and I'm using it on an old Peavey 412 cabinet . I think it sounds fine. I never got around to purchasing the official 4x12 cabinet. The great thing about the Spider V 240HC is that you don't need to plug it into a cabinet to get great sound. I don't think you need to rush out and get the Spider V cabinet. To use your 212 combo as a cabinet, you will have to rig up a connector to the back 240hc. One speaker for each output. I don't think that is going to work very well. If you are wanting to capitalize on stereo effects. Consider two 2x12 cabinets so you can get some separation. Stereo effects in a 4x12 cabinet are kind of a useless.

I don't think you will find either amplifiers a perfect match for the Helix LT. There are several ways to approach using them: - Both have a 1/8 stereo auxilary in jack which you can use with a shielded 1/4 stereo out to 1/8 jack to the headphones out on your LT. I've done this with my Helix floor to my Spider V 240hc. It works well, but I get a bit more noise than when I go direct to the mixer, Powercab +, or my FRFR speakers. - Another option is to setup your LT patch and go into the guitar input on the amps but specify "no amp" . I don't mess around with this because I don't think it sounds very good. You woud be served better by selling both amps and getting a powercab or one of the other FRFR solutions.

I have never tried it, but the power cab plus specifications indicate you can use the USB connector for both input and output. Hook it up to your computer instead and use it as the interface in and out. Then you don't need to use the irig or behringer.

Record you guitar directly through the Spider V60 amp plugged into your computer using USB and the appropriate driver. You should get better sound going direct from your Spider V. Plug your microphone into the computer using your interface and it's drivers. To hear yourself in the Mic, you might have to plug monitors or speakers into the audio interface to eliminate the latency.

I've never tried to figure it out, but you can send MIDI contol info via a MIDI cable from your HD to the PC+. I don't think there is a way to do MIDI between them over the L6L cable.

Setup your chain with the analog pedals so you aren't adding more A/D or D/A conversions. So put dirt pedals in front of the chain, and maybe time based effects between the stomp output and the HXE return. You should be able to get good results whatever you are doing. I'm kinda doing the same thing with my HX Effects, some pedals and the super cheap Mooer GE150 which I purchased as a backup for my helix. Everything sounds awesome. I'm now thinking about mounting it all on a pedal board because the whole thing is smaller and easier to transport than the Helix Floor.

From my experience with the Spider V 240HC with and without a 4x12 cabinet. The stereo effect is hardly noticable because the speakers are too close to each other. You have to use effects that are not very busy to notice it, and you have to get up very close. I have 2 Headrush FRFR 112 speakers and with my Helix I really enjoy the stereo effects because I can place them wherever I want. I also have a Powercab 112 Plus and am contemplating purchasing another one to enjoy the stereo effects. I also have studio monitors that work great to experience stereo sound. I have lots of fun creating wet/dry/wet with the PC and the HR cabinets. I would personally purchase 2 PC+ instead of a 212 to experience stereo.

It depends on what you want that is Stereo. If you want two different amp types for left and right, then you create parallel paths and pan each amp to the side you want. If don't care about the amp, but want lush washy delay and reverbs, then you just need to select the stereo effects for the blocks you are adding after the amp, and make sure you don't stick a mono effect after the stereo blocks. You run your TSR output to Front of House and pan each channel on the mixer so you get the separation. Each path on the HX is stereo so it will work without creating extra paths unless you want to do something like put a Vox AC30 on the left and Fender Delux on the right. Options are very flexible. The strereo effects sound great.

The topic of using FRFR, Amplifiers and cabinets, input to tube amps etc has been discussed here exhaustively. Search through the site here and thegearpage.com. Google is your friend! I don't think you should have any issues practicing noodling at bedroom volumes on your l2t. It should only matter when you are dialing in for gig volumes. I think you can control the digital output from your helix if you are getting compliants. I don't think you are going to be satisfied using AV and bookshelf speakers. If you just need some lower volume solutions for when you are getting yelled at by the family, try some decent computer speakers into the headphone jack... I use primarily use my powercab 112 Plus. When I am working on/dialing in patches, I crank it to gig volumes. I also have a pair of Headrush 112 powered FRFR speakers. They are very good. I get similar results as with the powercab depending on what I am doing. I like to create Wet-Dry-Wet scenarios sometimes. Sounds fantastic in my ears. I also run thing through my JBL powered 8 inch monitors when practicing at my desk going through my interface. All of these solutions make me get up and turn down the volume on the back of the speakers..... I think it is key to dial things in at gig volumes with backing tracks so you know how you are going to sound in a mix. Also pay attention to gain staging on your helix when building your patches. Happy researching....

I've tried a few of the small "Blue tooth" types of speakers with modelers over the years, and oddly enough, they can sound good for things like jamming by the pool etc. But I couldn't handle the latency. I don't know about the JBL clip, but the others I've tried have too much latency when you plug into the 1/4 inch jack. I have the JBL 8inch monitors. They are ok. I prefer the Headrush FRFR 112s. I hear the Headrush FRFR 8 inch speakers are reputed to be decent and afordable. Whatever you buy, make sure you can return it easily if it doesn't work.

Just open HXEdit for Helix and HXEdit for HX Effects and drag and drop the blocks you want from the Helix to HXE however you want. Works great.