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I agree with stumblinman, that would make a great tag line!

The Presous in tube preamp, not poweramp, so you will need to configure as such with a POD. You wire the Presonus into the effects loop of the POD, then set the POD to No Amp. You will be using the POD as effects only box with it. Before you purchase a POD you should try the Presonus into the Tech 21 PE60 and see how it sounds, becuase that would be basically the "amp" in that scenerio. I was thinking more using a tube Power amp and a modelled pre-amp (the POD models). With a real tube amp and the 4 cable method you can use the actual Amps preamps or the POD modelled ones, so it's quite flexalbe while using the tube amps power amp for the full power.

With the Tech 21 would doubt it would be much different. The Power Engine 60 is basically just an FRFR system with no tubes so you're not going to get much different than the HD500 over the PA other than maybe just a bit more listening volume since the amp would likely be close to you instead listening via a monitor. I would think you have only a couple of options. 1. Get HD500(x) but pair it with something with real tubes. Either a good tube amp and use the HD500(x) as effects only unit (look up the four cable method) or maybe get M13 and tube amp instead. Or get DT25/50 with HD500(x) so you have some real tubes behind it. 2. Take a good tube amp and mic it up in isolation box away from the stage so you can crank it up and not blow away the audience. Even if you don't have a place to take it off stage you could get Isolation box (or more likely build something) on stage to buffer the sound so you can get knobs crancked more. If nothing replaces the real tubes to you (I'm with you on that, I use DT25 combo, nice trade off of tubes and modelling) then nothing even an Axe FX is likely to sound quite right to you. If you do go the route of getting a tube amp and want to crank it up, then go for smaller wattage amps because you get get the break up at lower volumes.

k. Thanks. Maybe my mixing of two is part of the problem or just like was said, maybe just my practice room.

Yea, I can see that for sure. My question though was more around how does the Reverb knob on the DT interact when you using a POD HD500(x) over the L6 link. Seems to different than the rest.

Okay I thought I understood this that the Reverb on the DT amp was a seperate Reverb from what you had when using the HD500x. But I've been setting up some patches recently and I noticed the Reverb just doesn't sound as good. When I use the POD over USB for practicing (no DT connected) the verbs sound great. But not so much into the DT. Did something change with the latest update? Or could it be just the verb works that much better in Stereo? The Plate reverb does sound quite good over the DT. My setup. Variax 500->POD HD500x->DT25 Combo. I usually run just very small touch of Reverb knob on channel A on the DT and then add most of what I need from the POD. The "Hall" reverb seems to be the worst over the DT with the "Plate" sounding the best.

I recently switched form FS1-FS8 to the ABCD method. So far I think I'm happier with my new setup. I liked to think of the POD in old school way of an Amp (modelled in this case) and effects pedals. The problem I had with this was just the same problems I've had in the old days. A good high gain amp doesn't always sound very good clean. Modern amps more or less solve this by have channel but the POD doesn't have channel switch for the ones where it does model the different pre-amp channels (like the Solo100). So I looked at what some the Pros do with their setups where they use multiple amps and started thinking more along those lines of "Scenes". I decided I didn't want wild swings in the tone between one song and hte next but I certinally don't mind heavy shift from one "Set" to the next being I will generally have break inbetween them. So my new setup is I use A=Clean B=Crunch C=Heavy D=Lead but all using the same exact amp model and same effects pedal just different knob turns for each. I might move up to the next slot during the next set to say more from a ligther Country or Blues tone into Classic Rock or heavyer stuff as my band tends to start our nights with lighter material and get heavier as the night progresses. So far so good. I keep a couple of effects assisgend to FS1-FS4 so I can make quick change without a patch change if I need say a bit more bite on clean channell. The slight delay loading patches doesn't bother me. Even the old tube amps had a slight delay change channels too, just learned to adjust to it.

On the mixer itself. (assuming your PA setup is setup for Stereo) For 1 use any channel. using a Line In plug. For 2 you can use two difference channels and pan one hard left and one hard right. Or use a stereo channel on the mixer, IMO the best solution if you have a available stereo channel available and cord length is not a problem. For 3 same use two pre-amped channels running hard left and hard right. On 2 & 3 the input will be rather hot so careful not to overdrive the preamps.

How much Mids you have in your tones? A scooped mid tone can sound really cool all by itself but will disappear in a mix. Not saying this is the issue but something to consider.

+1. Edstar1960 is really right. It does truly depend on what you want to do with it and it sounds great into the Effect Return/power amp in or using the 4 cable method on almost any good tube amp, not to meantion into a FRFR system or the L6 offering in that arena. But the DT25/50 is hard to beat.

The biggest one! Set INPUT2 to something you are not using. Posted a millons times on the HD forum for good reason too. Not sure why the heck L6 set the default that way.

I have both as well. I perfer the sound on the HD500x, it reacts to your playing better. The effects IMO are better as well particularly the reverb and the chorus models. I use my X3 for practicing and so I can use workbench with my old Variax. You can certinally get some great tones out of the X3 as well so like you said it's a matter of the tweaking.

I've played my DT25 at smalller outside shows without plugging into the PA. It will get way louder than you would expect it to. Also it has a XLR DI on them so you can feed a line to the PA if you needed it, without a worring about a mic and the sound is really good. Nothing wrong with the DT50, you will get a bit extra head room if you want/need that, but if it's just pure volume you are concerned about the 25 will do fine in most situations.

I don't have the DT50 but a DT25 combo. I haven't had any issues yet, gig on occasion and move my amp around a lot for rehersals. To me they are worth the money. One they sound great with tube power amps section you get the best of the modelling world as well as real tube feel. Paird with HD500(x) you have array of great sounding amps and effects and it all wired up using 1 standard XLR cable over the L6 link, very seemless integration. With your Tyler you will have the "Dream Rig" so you will have a array of effects, guitar models and pretty authentic sounding amps. One note thought, you will have to rebuild your patches for the DT. The best sound, IMO, is using the "Pre" models which is what is designed for the DT amps. Becuase of the real tubes in the power section the sound can be touch different as well so you will need to adjust them for it.

I've done that setup for recording before actually doing the mix down using my X3. I will say I had on occasion run into issue with some pops in the sound but I think those were more realated to my PC CPU and Memory capacity/ability than the X3 unit and drivers themselves.

I actually like not having pickups on my variax but I will agree it does look nicer with them!

Actually I like the test where the playing performance is not very good. An excellent guitar player will sound good on any setup. A poor player will sound better on a really good setup. So to me I can tell more about the differences in the unit becuase of medicore playing.

Well look like I bought the right unit for me. I went to the HD500x nearly every time, except the Mesa model. The Boss GT came in close second though, which did suprise me a bit.

If your just looking for effects, no amp modelling, then the M-Series is what I would recommend. The FX100 would probably do as well for it but is a bit different of device then just effects modelling.

In the HD500x you can set it to no amp and then just turn off all effects. I'm not sure what that really accomplish for you? If you were building a real guitar, to test it out you would run it into an amp. That amp would color the sound, some more than others but bascially even you PA colors the sound some minute amount.

I appolige ahead of time if someone posted this already. Did anyone check the input2 setting? POD sounds much better if you set that to some input your not using. And got that from this forum, been brought up many times.

Well you can still the get an on-off even for the secodary pedal it will just not be on the pedal. You can assign a on/off for any effect to a normal switch. To use it more like a normal wah, use the on-board pedal so you have the toe switch and then use the secondary pedal for what-ever else you need.

The line 6 pedal does not have a swtich and no the only switch that will work is the one attached to the onboard foot pedal. FYI for those that have the ME pedal, do you still have to do the resistor thing to make it work right for the POD? Read somewhere they don't have 10k pot so they don't work fully with the pod without some modification or did ME fix that?

People like the POD HD into a powered PA Speaker because the they are Full Range Flat Response ( you will see noted as FRFR commonly) so the POD will sound exactly as it was intended. This is not to say you can't have great tone with a power amp to gutiar cab or event using it with a normal gutiar amp. The power amp and guitar cabinet will color of the POD but that could be a good thing, depending on what you are going for. You just might need to adjust the POD to fit the sound and know the if you setup a patch with headphones, it will sound different with the rig. I find this true even for FRFR systems becuase the headphones themselves color the sound to some extent.