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This symptom is isolated to the Cali Texas Ch2 and will be addressed in an upcoming release. It will not cause issues when you load other models. This issue was fixed for Ch1 in a prior release, but we somehow missed that it was occurring with the other channel as well.

5+12? What does that mean? Beyond 17, that is.

I have a pair of Yamaha HS5's the helix sounds great thru them.....

1) For any task on earth, one needs appropriate tools. Surround sound is wonderful for multi-channel audio that accompanies gun fights and car chases, but that's not what you're doing. Don't go this route. 2) A PAIR of studio monitors is ideal for the home player who wishes to play along with songs or backing tracks, and/or to mix your own home recordings. One would be basically useless....music is stereo. Also, stereo reverbs and delays are a glorious thing... don't limit yourself. 3) Necessary if you intend to play with others at volume, in a band setting. Overkill for the living room, and won't help you if you want to do any home recording, as you'd need two. (See #2 above)

Surround sound isn't such a great idea. The Helix only outputs stereo, so your system is likely going to be doing something to create surround from the stereo which is not likely to be good! But you got it so why not give it a try? Studio monitors are a good choice, and the Headrush will also be good. They are both FRFR essentially, so it's stereo Vs mono,. The real question is how loud you want to play at home? The Headrush will be louder, and could be used if you were ever to play with others, the studio monitors don't do that. But if you just want to play at home with backing tracks, see if you can get your surround system to work in simple stereo, obviously doing a lot of EQing probably using global EQ first. Then you have to decide if that's "good enough". Probably not going to make most of us happy, but I'd need to experiment with your system, it's totally possible you can get a decent sound if you know what you are doing. You would connect the Helix by USB and use it as your sound card, so you can output to the stereo from your computer. (Including any backing track or YouTube video) If all that is confusing to you, just get the Headrush unit and play guitar through that and music through your current system. As I said, you will need to really know what you are doing if you want to make it work with the surround system.

Myself, I'd go with a "pair" of studio monitors.

Great news thanks for all the hard work :)

That describes a decent set of "Studio Monitors"... The biggest problem is "Primarily" in your first quote. Studio Monitors are not easily portable and will not cover a rehearsal or any gig! If you really think you will need something to play with other musicians, then go for something like the Headrush... just know it won't do a great job of listening to other music, but there are a lot of great consumer choices available for that.

The reality is with modeling you're not going to hear what you used to hear on stage unless you use that type of configuration with the Helix. What you're going to hear on stage is what your audience has always been hearing if you mic'd your equipment and sent it through the mixer. The fact is your audience has never heard what you heard on stage whether it's live through a PA or recorded since it was captured by a microphone. And that's what they expect to hear because that's what they've been hearing their whole life.

Nothing like a happy ending to a pesky bug problem!!!

What most people perceive as "missing" when transitioning from an amp to a modeler is the "amp in the room" sound... or the raw sound of a guitar amp a few feet away, and way off-axis, without the added influence of a microphone. Modelers though, are designed to produce recorded guitar tones... what you'd hear through a pair of monitors in a studio control room while you're amp is close-mic'ed in the room next door. They are two very different things, and it doesn't work for everybody... at least not initially. I suspect that those who've had a bunch of studio experience have an easier time making the transition to modeling, as they're used to hearing themselves that way already. It's a never ending topic in the amp vs. modeler debate. Nobody's right or wrong... you like what you like. I'm not familiar with the Laney you mentioned, but something like the Powercab might suit you better, as it's designed to provide more of a traditional amp "feel".

I hear the same kinds of things from a buddy of mine that is a professional FOH/monitor engineer. He has to work jobs with all kinds of different equipment from TOL Midas and DigiCo digital boards all the way down to old Mackie analog desks with outboard gear for FX. He's mentioned many times how some of the guys that tour with small to mid level bands will often be exasperated and dumbfounded and constantly bitching when they have to use anything other than a digital board with a full-size display, compressors and EQs with visual feedback on every channel, etc... and it's funny to him because it's not like live audio only got good in the last 5-10 years where nice digital stuff was available to everyone. It's one thing to complain when something in front of your doesn't work, its an entirely other thing to complain about not being able to use something that ISN'T THERE and then blaming a thing that doesn't exist for the issues you're having.

Thank you. I hate Les Pauls....but why would I spend even 5 minutes whining to the rest of the world about what I perceive to be their deficiencies? What would my end game be? Plenty of others like them... and they're not gonna change their minds on my say-so, nor should they. So why would I bother? So I can be "right", and convince them to see the folly of their ways? Please... there will be no Great Meter Revolution...they'll either show up one day, or they won't. Nobody knows. So go ahead and want anything you like, folks...desire is emotional, and generally doesn't make sense anyway. It's just there. Submit daily requests to IdeaScale if it gives you the warm fuzzies. But persistently whining about the lack of ANY one particular feature will never help you to better utilize the tool(s) you actually have at your disposal, which makes the whole exercise completely and utterly pointless. Equally pointless is openly declaring (or at least intimating) that the device is essentially unusable without said feature, and expecting everyone else to clap like a seal in agreement...then playing the victim when you don't get the desired reaction. And that's what these threads always devolve into...a long walk off the same short pier. Until some future update changes things, Helix is what it is... so either learn to use it warts and all, or don't...nobody cares. But those are the only two options that exist, and no amount of sniveling or wishful thinking will change that.

While there are definitely a few people here saying they shouldn't have meters, I think most people are saying that, since they're not available and people are still using the Helix to great effect, they're not necessary and there's no point in complaining about the lack of them or using that a justification for your displeasure with the tones you're getting. The discussion I thought was going was that adding meters won't make your tones better, they'll just make them metered. And I'll say again, I would use them if they were there, but there's nothing missing without them.

@Line6Nelson and @rwhite137 Great info provided from both of you.... thanks for the insight. One Last Update from my end for this thread. I opened the OP's original preset once again for some more tests based on this more recent information about the Texas Cali Amps.... When I raised the bass to just 0.1.... the preset DID NOT fade away after 3 hours (I actually let it run for 6 to test) When I lowered the bass on the amp back to 0... the preset FADED around the 3 hour mark as it had previously. With the preset producing zero volume.... all I did was raise the bass to 0.1 and it brought the preset back to life... just like reloading the preset. @havkayak ... Please read the very helpful posts provided about the Texas Cali amp, and please see my findings in this post. If you re-submit your problem (and preset) to Line 6, and get them to focus on the "Texas Cali Amp" with "Bass at 0"... I am sure they will take it seriously and try to find a fix. In the meantime, I can't see how raising the bass to 0.1 would effect the tone of your preset... surely you can put the unit through it's paces at rehearsal and hopefully gain back the confidence to take it to the stage.

@havkayak, I'm able to reproduce this and the cause is known. Until this has been formally addressed, you can work around this issue by increasing the "Bass" value to 0.1. Thank you.

The thing is that there are over 50,000 Helix/HX units in the wild currently, and many of those are being used on stages all the time... Some for real-deal world tours in arenas and such. Personally, I wouldn’t let this one bug dictate whether or not it’s worth using it or not, but it’s up to you...

I got the fremen big pack and although there are some patches I deleted and wouldn't use just because of my playing style, they were all quite fantastic. I kept about half of them and they are my main patches now, after I added wah and/or pitch shift and other stuff to taste. Great work fremen!!

I agree 100% I bought this for guitar and have used it almost exclusively for bass in band situations. The fact you can literally blend EVERY effect with the dry signal makes this thing absolutely incredible for bass. I have been running an A/B path with A going thorough a simple EQ bass boost and the B path running through the Muff, bit crusher, and rat(only 1 is on at any time). But the best part is I set the A/B path levels to the expression pedal so I can easily blend the distortion in without having the dreaded anemic sounds of most dirt boxes. Also I highly suggest throwing one of the leslie speakers into the mix and dialing the actual sweeping effect down. It creates a super fat tone when dialed in correctly.