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Actually Spikey, I think you missed my point which is somewhat re-interpreted in DI’s dead wife analogy. I just don’t see that there is any reason or expectation to put out a list of how our completely new product (which is a new line altogether and not really the successor to the POD line) is different from one of our other products. It was simply here is the new product, it has some L6 link functionality, here is what it CAN do. If that works for you, buy it. I think the goal of Helix was to make a higher quality modeler to get into that market.

Spikey, I get your frustration but you’ve regressed to asking DI to produce a list things that a new product doesn’t do that was theoretically put out prior to product release. I’m not sure why you would assume that such a list by any company would ever happen, but you have gone a step further and narrowed it down to the thing that you care about. You’ve asked specifically about L6 link. I fail to see why there would be any expectation by anyone that there would be such a list or that it was necessary. If there was forum discussions about the new product and that question was posed there may be a possibility of such a list. What actually happened was akin to, here’s a new product here’s what it does, at some point the L6 link capabilities were revealed. If what you wanted was not on the list of capabilities why would you assume it’s there, that’s the point where you ask the specific questions for clarity. It’s impossible to predict and pre-asnwer every possible question. I didn’t get helix at release but i saw a lot the release literature and my understanding was that it was all new architecture and not simply the next POD. So I wouldn’t expect to act like a POD even though in some ways it might.

I had to hi cut and lo cut any and all IRs I used in the helix. Could just be my taste but typically 5kz hi cut and 120hz lo cut. And I used lots of different IRs.

Depends if you are talking in series, or parallel, or a combination. It also depends on what resolution of IR you want to run. First of all, I don’t think you could run 2 high def IRs in parallel but you might be able to depending on the rest of your signal chain and how mush dsp it’s chewing up. If you were to run the lower def IRs you could put 2 on each signal path which means you could run them in series or parallel (on each signal path). How you choose to set that up just gets endless after that. There is no way to run 3 all in parallel all on the same signal path that i can think of. 2 of the 3 will be in series with each other.

cruisin is right with regard to creating tones at volume ...it’s critical to so many things, the way you EQ how much gain you need to dial in etc. I would just add that in my experience, there’s as point you can get to that’s loud enough to create the tone but may it’s not the level you would play at live. While I wouldn’t be so bold as to say that the fletcher Munson curve stops after a certain point, I’ve found a sweet spot that, while it still may annoy my neighbours it’s not dangerously loud for me to be in that environment for the hours on end that I spend crafting patches. I’ve found that the patches translate well to gig volumes. I will in fact crank it for a few seconds just to check but I’m getting more confident in my crafting level. And conversely, I can hear the huge difference when I lower the volume to bedroom levels. Point being find that sweet spot so you can create the patches without damaging your hearing. I’ve lost entire weekends just crafting patches, I can’t imagine all that exposure to gig volumes would be good for my hearing.

Personally, I'm perfectly fine with the way Line 6 is handling this. They've given us a good idea as to what will be in the next update. There's some good stuff there and things that are important to me. I'm actually surprised they tell us anything after the way they got lambasted when they announced the James Tyler Variax and then for various reasons it took forever to get it to market. I'm sure if we keep whining they will just adopt the approach of not saying anything about upcoming updates or products until they are ready for release. OR ... just stop reading their own forums. If it was my decision that's what I would do.

I’ve spent a decent amount of money on various IRs. As of now I’ve gone back to the stock cabs. if you spend a bit time tweaking you’ll figure out some basic concepts that tend to correlate across the various cabs. But at the end of the day, I find a get a more defined tone than with the IRs after your done dialling out the fizz on both. I’m definitely loving them and being able to set up dual cabs with one block opens up a lot of flexibility.

I tested the method out with my previously stated acoustic sim to electric crunch each on their own path with the volume blocks at the beginning of each path both assigned to the same footswitch. Works like a charm. Thanks again.

I think that might just solve an issue that I was requesting awhile back. I want to make both inputs from the two signal paths guitar. I have an acoustic sim patch and of course several electric patches but it’s a pain trying to recreate them with the splitter. With this method I could just use one signal path for acoustic and the other for electric, put a volume block first in the path, assign them both to the same bypass footswitch and I’m in business. Thanks.

In that case i would stick with setlist maker....you’ll still be able to control everything in the same way...

Bandhelper is a subscription version of setlist maker. Bandhelper has a few more features like being able to edit on computer but functionality at a gig is pretty much even. you can control either via bluetooth ... but you can do all the same stuff via midi over USB as well, which i prefer actually... but i was tired of too many gadgets on the floor. Being the singer as well it’s easier to landmark a single device.

are you using setlist maker by arlomedia? it’s essentially the same as bandhelper, most of the actions can be controlled via midi.

I have 6 of the footswitches on my helix dedicated to controlling the bandhelper app on my ipad. That leaves 2 switches to change settings for my guitar tone (I use a different patch for every song) and 2 switches to control effects on my voicelive rack via midi. It might seem weird but bandhelper is kind of the command center for my rig and it displays the lyrics for the songs. It’s actually kind of cool in that if I hit the footswitch on my helix that is dedicated to advance bandhelper to the next song, band helper in turn sends a midi command back to helix telling it what patch to pull up and the helix then tells the voicelive rack which patch on that device. It was a pain in the butt to set up as I had to assign all those footswitches to do the same thing per patch and there’s no shortcut for that but it was worth tht effort.

I'm excited about the new features, sure, but I'm more excited that they are continuing to work on and improve this product. You could argue that some people buy it because line 6 does updates but I actually bought it for what it did at the time of purchase. So I'm fine with them announcing in advance what they are releasing in the next update... even if it's months in advance. For some it will save having to post in idea scale. As with some of the others I'm most excited about the additions to command centre. it'll get here and it'll be great...

I agree with some of the other posts here. You shouldn’t need to buy anything else or change your set up at all just do a little more tweaking. I can get the helix to sound great at gig level and home level but those aren’t necessarily the same thing. I’ll vote for turning it down to a reasonable volume and then tweaking... I don’t know how much you mess with the hi cut and low cut on the cabs but I find that extremely useful as well if you’re using the stock cabs try adjusting the mic distance. These are simulations of mic’d cabs and even if you had the mic 12” (vs 1 - 3”) from the cone or edge no one actually listens to their amp with their ear that close to the speaker, it’s a totally different sound.. It’s too bad they didn’t have a mic setting of 6 to 8 feet (adjustable) to simulate where a guitar player is actually standing when listening to their amp. I think that blended with a close mic’d cab might help get that amp in the room sound through FRFR. I have a power cab but I really just use it between gigs when I don’t want to bother setting up my PA speakers in my house. I use the PA speakers for tweaking tones, the power cab is just for quick easy home practice. I like it, but honestly you should be able to do just as well with the L3Ms.

Placater clean and dirty. It’s great that there are so many choices and I do use other amp models for different things but I think if these were the only two amp models in the helix, I would have no trouble doing patches for all the tunes I play in both bands. They are so versatile and sound so good. And If I didn’t have any IRs i would use the greenback 25.

Although I do recall someone from Line 6 saying 2019 was going to be a very big year for helix. So who knows maybe they are going to hit us with a 1 - 2 punch in 2019.

Looking at my whole post, it was flavoured to point out that there is no such mechanism. Even if there was, that given that the models in both units are completed they can’t now be done with the exact same amp, same cab, same mics, same room, therefore no way to dig down and measure/compare which ones are better or more accurate. At least not that I could think of. So if there was a way to objectively make that statement it wouldn’t be based on any mechanical testing. Looking at the response from vstrattomusic, it doesn’t appear to be based on anything more than impression. Despite how that sounds it’s not meant to be a knock, I think at certain points we all fall into that trap. Stating something as fact without really considering why we think it’s the case or without considering that our reasons might be fallacious. I’ve done the same thing many times on many different topics. Having said that, even if I were to accept the argument that more bands use it and that more people say it’s easier to get good sound out of it with less effort (both kind of variations on the argument ad populum fallacy) Neither really addresses that it’s down to the actual difference in the amp models. I’m not sure what it would take to convince me, but I can say in everything I’ve seen and or heard, it hasn’t happened yet. So in the end I chose helix because i liked the form factor. I was quite willing to spend on kemper or fractal. They were all in the running, I just liked the all in one package ... less to hook up at the gig.

To say it’s subjective is absolutely the way I view it, well to the extent that you are talking about what any given person prefers. That said, I suppose if there was some mechanism to measure who more accurately modelled the various amps that are common between the 2 devices a person could make a truth claim about it. To my knowledge this doesn’t; exist and even if it did, it would only be relevant if both companies modelled the exact same amp through the exact same cabs using the exact same mic’s in the exact same room etc etc etc. If we exclude that as a way to compare, then perhaps there is some other way, I don’t know what it would be so I’m curious how someone who is making the claim as if it’s fact not merely opinion came to that conclusion. And I’m truly open to the answer. If it turns out that it actually is really just opinion and that it was just a matter loose phrasing i’m cool with that as it would comport with my general understanding.

Not that I’m disputing what you’re saying, just wondering how you came to the conclusion that the amp modelling in Helix isn’t up to par with Axe FX 2 or 3? You mentioned that it’s common knowledge, which wouldn’t be supporting evidence, nor am I jumping to any conclusions that it plays any part in your claim. Just curious, if it’s true, I want to know.

I just got my power cab yesterday (not the plus). I built all my patches while playing through the PA that I use live. The patches translate OK to the power cab but it's not really the same, surprisingly my acoustic sim patch sounds great through the power cab but I need to work on it to get the rest going. I found turning on the 80hz cut on the back got me closer but I'm running in the flat mode and using the cabs and IRs in Helix so if you're using the speaker models in the power cab that might not work. Even on my, cab sims and IRs in Helix I always use the low and Hi cut, where I set them depends on the amp model and the tone I'm going for. Usually the low cut is between 100 and 140 and the hi cut is between 7k and 10k. I find it gives a more focused tone. After that I think it's down the finding which amp models give the you that crisp sound. I really like the plexi jump if I want to be able to hear every string while using an overdriven tone. At the end of the day you can get tips here but you're going to have to put in the time. Once you start to get a recipe for your sound you'll be able to craft sounds really quickly.

I may have missed it as there was a pretty big list of control features. Was there any thought to being able to assign the input "block" settings to footswitches and also being able to set input A to off? right now if you want do 2 completely different signal paths the method is pretty clunky with the A/B switch and then all the other stuff you have to do along with it. It would be more elegant and easy to just make two independent paths and be able to with the inputs on each path to guitar or off with a footswitch.

Your Autumn should be the same day as our spring, it's when the sun is in line with the equator. Or more precisely put, when 2.8 starts to come into view. Science just isn't able to predict yet when it will be fully visible.

I'm using 3sigma Gibs Bird Electric 4c IR (part of the Gibs Bird pack). I've never tried to build such a patch using a humbucker and it only sounds good on my Strat on the neck pick up. The only thing I really do is use some hi and low cuts on the actual IR ... run it through the studio tube pre amp model and an EQ to cut 2db at around 250hz. you can add some delay and reverb as needed ... it sounds great ... using my guitar through my speakers, some of the settings I use might need to be adjusted for your guitar through your speakers. I find I need to boost the volume in several different places to get it to the same level as my electric guitar patches but there are lots of ways to do that.