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First good size show with Stadium last night and it went great. New form factor was nice getting there (able to fit in my carry on). Love the touch screen capabilities and on site tweaks and levelling. Also liked the easy to get at mute on the XLR mixer matrix for front of house. Updated all my patches to use agora and they sound WAY better. Less digital artifacts and just more clarity and feel. Not just me - bass, vocals and others commented. Used showcase to import my stems and get ready. Great start and can't wait to see what's in store.

I can understand your disappointment. Of course, disappointment is a corollary of expectations. Recall that, late in development, Line 6 publicly polled users with the question “Would you prefer a more complete and finished product that will be released later, or a less complete product available sooner?” The clear user preference was sooner, with additional features coming later. Accordingly one should not expect a complete product at this point. You’re absolutely right that promised features like proxy capture remain unfulfilled, as expected. Will other features like preset spillover be added in a future firmware release? I certainly expect so, but I’m not putting any timing on that. Helix Stadium is still very much in its early development. It will, and already has, been much improved. For instance the Showcase feature was not released in v1.1; it arrived in v1.2. Also, v1.2.1 was released very recently, fixing some 50-odd bugs. I think anyone who owns a Stadium device now should consider themselves to be early adopters, complete with the associated bugs and glitches. You don’t have to use it yet. You can wait for several more months until it is more complete and less buggy. Most users responding to the Line 6 outreach wanted it sooner rather than later, and that’s what Line 6 did. Who knows what Stadium will become? Recall that the original Helix product has evolved significantly since its release. It is hardly recognizable now compared to that time. The same will happen with Stadium. As you point out it is currently unfinished. Of course, your feelings are your own and they are legitimate based on a certain set of (reasonable?) expectations.

Kind of defeats the purpose of a modeller doesn’t it?

This biggest point here is this: Line 6 asked the community if they would be willing to wait or get it earlier - most said they could ride it out and get the updates as the bugs were worked out . . . it sounded like most wanted the unit sooner rather than later (I know I did). Since I'm not using it to gig with at this time, I'll push thru the problems for now. Syphus

AFAIK, Helix models the effect of the Speaker Impedance Curve (SIC - google it) in the Power Amp section of the model, as that is where it occurs ITRW. There's also an interaction between the Pre and Power amp section modeled that obviously wouldn't occur between your digital pre and a separate analog power section. At least that's my take on it.

You can download and install the Helix Native plug-in software on a trial basis. It has a Hardware Compatibility mode which allows you to edit and save presets in a format compatible with the specific constraints of each Helix hardware device. So you should be able to, for instance, load a Helix Floor preset into Helix Native while in the Floor compatibility mode. Then you can edit the preset within Helix Native, removing blocks until you can successfully change the Hardware Mode to HX Stomp with the preset loaded. After Saving it as an HX Stomp preset you should be able to load it successfully into HX Edit for transfer to your Stomp device. For details, consult the Helix Native manual.

You are probably aware that using Snapshots within a preset eliminates the gap while permitting significant tone changes.

No, not in MIDI 1.0, which is the current implementation in most HW, SW and controllers. While it is technically possible in MIDI 2.0, it requires both the controller and the HW/SW being controlled to implement the new 2.0 spec in a compatible way. Just as it took many years for the one-way communication in MIDI 1.0 to be widely implemented, it will take many more years for 2.0's 2-way capabilities to be widely implemented.

Are you using it on a carpet? IF YES THEN put it on a hard surface. I use a shelf. If that doesn't work, as @silverhead said or, if there's no service center nearby, contact support. If it turns out to be a known issue they'll sometimes take care of you even out of warranty.

Since a firmware reinstall did not resolve the issue I suspect it’s an hardware problem. Your suspicion about overheating suggests a power supply issue and that sounds right to me. Although out of warranty it can still be repaired at some cost. Take it to an authorized Line 6 service centre.

That's why it's wise to keep your presets nearly identical, minus a few tweaks, extra blocks that you turn on/off. On the Helix, it doesn't matter if you have unused blocks btw, the sound does not suffer, and there's no extra lag with unused blocks. If you redo your signal chain from scratch, then there will be volume / tone discrepancies. Sometimes you won't realize that they are different. Create a "template" preset, which is your virtual "rig", and modify it for individual presets: copy/paste/tweak. That's the best way to use a modeller if you're a touring musician. Otherwise, just use one preset, if you can manage. Once I learned this workflow, I go through all my presets one after another to make sure they are all sounding correct and matched in volume. I've also once had this weird bug on the Helix, where one preset wound up getting louder, even though the blocks were all identical. I wound up redoing it from scratch, and it started sounding like my other presets. Just something to watch out for. In summary, there are so many factors that can create a difference in your sound, that it's best to just keep everything the same as much as possible. My tried-and-true approach that I've used for 6 years on the Helix.

I don’t think using the Helix Stadium vs. any other piece of audio equipments matters. You’ll get more info by asking this question in a forum with a wider (not just Line 6) audience. Not that you may not get helpful info here, just that you’re fishing in a relatively small pool for an ocean-wide question. Budget and required features matters a lot more than Helix Stadium.

Just my two cents (coming from a guy who jumped on the Neural DSP/QC bandwagon early in 2020...), I think Line 6 is crushing it. This is a brand new modeler and they have in a short time already made drastic improvements. I understand it's a LOT of money to invest in something that isn't fully developed yet but that's what you gotta do these days. I feel like in 3 months Line 6 has done more than Neural DSP had done in a couple of years. Moving much faster with more transparent timeline and messaging. I love that. I feel happy coming along for the ride with the stadium and find it exciting. Showcase is awesome and something that's never been done. Proxy I am very excited for. I'm willing to go on the journey with Line 6 and have a lot of respect for Eric Klein and company. Me and others with a QC have been waiting 5 years for some things that were promised to happen "SOON" after launch (ie. plugin compatibility), lol. If you need the OG helix with gapless preset switching, I would recommend gigging that and holding off on the Stadium. The OG helix is a fully mature product and there's nothing wrong with relying on that. I have a feeling gapless preset switching is coming...

People that are happy generally don't always post very much.

New platforms always have growing pains, and it's the early adopters who have to suffer through it. Bugs that didn't get discovered during beta testing are basically a guarantee... doesn't mean it's "junk", though. Personally, I never invest in the "latest and greatest" the moment it's released, for exactly this reason, lol... let somebody else get cranky because their $2K+ new toy has some kinks to iron out. Wait it out, then buy. But that's just me...ymmv. I know most folks voted "give it to us now", but sometimes you gotta be careful what you ask for. Imho, releasing a less than finished product is just asking for problems... maybe it's me.

Eric Klein says here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXcLPsrgWso they are aiming for March. The units at NAMM have the Proxy installed.

You have to configure the control jacks: https://manuals.line6.com/en/helix-stadium/live/global-settings#[mediaInline]-Global-Settings->-Switches/Pedals Determines whether each Control jack (A~D) is an expression pedal input, external footswitch input, external drum trigger input, or an external amp remote switch output.

That means you are not logged in to your Line 6 account on the Stadium

A firmware update was released yesterday. I believe it fixed this bug.

Log. In.

I really enjoy using the Helix family. Over the 10 years I used the Helix Floor, Line 6 came through with feature updates they hadn't thought about that the user forum engaged in discussing then feature enhancements that would work with the hardware and software that where submitted to the developers for review. The enhancements that many users requested using the feedback to developer links had priority over the requests that one or two user only requests. So, the users of this forum would make sure everyone would submit the request to the correct link since Line 6 doesn't monitor this forum for the purpose of identifying fixes and enhancements, as a norm. Software/firmware bugs where addressed as well as more modeling amps, cabs, and effects added to the device. So, now that I am using and learning about the Helix Stadium XL, as I did with the Floor, I am very satisfied with it and know from past experience the Yamaha/Line6 support engineers will get it working as it has been presented or go many sleepless nights to get it working as expected. I am sure we will have even more modeled devices added. For me, I am looking forward to the coming years with the Stadium and hope I can learn to use it to its fullest. jpd

Being a brand new product there are a number of bugs that have been discussed in this forum. As already mentioned, being a support forum that is to be expected. People don't generally post here to report that they are completely satisfied. Also, a bug fix firmware and software release was dropped just earlier today. By my quick count it resolves more than 50 bugs. Some other remaining bugs are identified and workarounds provided. Helix Stadium is quickly becoming a very reliable product. Let us know what you think after you've tried it.

I love mine. Honestly, I thought it was a bit of an unnecessary purchase as I love my OG Helix floor just fine and I had no desire for a touch screen. After getting it, I do not regret it at all. It has some quirks, it has some things I like better about the old Helix, but overall I think it's an improvement and will only get better. Line 6 has said that most folks said they'd rather have it sooner than later even if that meant more features and bug fixes in later updates. I've come to LOVE the touch screen that I initially thought was unnecessary (for me). So yeah, I don't think it's going to be any huge world shattering game changer for you, and it takes some time to get used to the new ways of doing things (set lists, presets, and such are very different now and I do still prefer the old way better, but I'm getting used to the new work flow). I've gigged with it, and it is now my rig of choice going forward. I use it with every band I play with as well as a MIDI controller for my Nord Stage 3, so as with my old unit, it will get used a LOT, but I've gone all in on it now.

Check the forum for similar topics. Build your presets so that every preset is the same loudness as a blank "New Preset" (nothing in the chain). Your presets are too loud if you are saying factory presets are too low in volume. Set the output volume to mic level, fixed volume for the XLRs. Volume knob should not be able to adjust this signal, it needs to stay the same throughout the show. This is your FOH signal. Set the volume knob to only operate the 1/4" out. This is your monitor mix for an onstage amp, Headrush FRFR, etc, set that to line level. It doesn't really matter what that is set to, since it's just for monitoring your sound, but you also don't want to overdrive the monitor/amp too much. Use mixing monitors to dial in your sound. FRFR is not good for that, it's bass heavy. Put FRFR on a stand, never leave it on the floor if you want to have more of an unbiased sound, still mixing monitors are better. Do not use Global EQ to achieve your "signature sound". Instead use an EQ in the preset itself, change the tone settings of the amp, etc. Never apply Global EQ to what you send to what goes to FOH -- sound guys can eq your sound themselves. Only have Global EQ apply to the stage monitor and only when it's needed. Your presets need to be dialed in so they are all uniform, and equalized the same and without any issues. Use the same virtual amp in all your presets to avoid having the sound guy having to constantly correct the mix because you decided to use different amps for every song. Use Global EQ when the stage gets too boomy, etc to compensate, as a last resort. Sometimes this can happen. Or if you are playing at a small club the onstage sound may ruin the mix, so the sound guy may ask you to make an adjustment. To check for clipping, the green meter on the output block indicates a healthy signal level, showing you're within normal operating range without clipping. So put the cursor on that output block and see if you are sending the signal too hot. But again, if you follow the first step, you should not have that problem. A lot of people dime their presets and they become extremely brittle and harsh sounding. I've seen that in almost every free preset I've downloaded that Line 6 users shared.

1) Besides the input impedance there is an input gate in the input block. Disable it when you compare the effect of rolling back the guitar's volume pot. 2) If you want unity gain in your 4CM patch (which means the amp's input receives the same level that it would get without HX in the chain) set Input Level, Send/Return and Output Level to INST in Global Settings > Ins/Outs. Use default FX loop block settings in your 4CM patch and crank the VOLUME knob. 3) Here is how you A/B test the actual impact of the HX Stomp to the sound of your amp: HX Stomp has an analog bypass (aka true bypass) that you can use to compare the impact that the HX has when switched in. To do this right you need to do the following steps: create an empty patch double check that the input block and output block settings are default settings set Input Level and Output Level to INST in Global Settings > Ins/Outs set Global Settings > Preferences > Bypass Type to Analog set Global Settings > Preferences > Tap Function to AllBypass crank the (physical) VOLUME knob use a short cable between HX Out and the amp's input Now you can compare the actual impact of the HX Stomp to the sound of your amp toggeling between Analog Bypass and the empty patch using the Tap footswitch in Stomp Mode. 4) HAVE FUN!

All amps don't "clean up" the same. That phenomenon is a result of the interaction between the guitar's pickups and the amp's input circuitry. While the Helix amps are very well modeled, in the end they are not really tubes. All that said, my guitars, single coils to JBs to high output ceramics, all "clean up" just fine with the Helix amps I use. The INPUT circuitry of most REAL WORLD amps is 1MegOhm impedance. Certain FX placed between the guitar and an amp's input (see below) are lower than that and in order to get "authentic" sound from the modeled FX Helix uses analog circuitry to mimic that interaction with the pickups. First thing to do is to check GLOBAL SETTINGS>PREFERENCES>AUTO IN-Z. When set to ENABLED Helix uses that analog circuitry to mimic the interaction between your pickups and that type of effect, using the first ACTIVE effect in the signal chain as a reference. When set to FIRST it uses the FIRST effect, active OR bypassed. Since MOST of the FX in Helix are 1M input impedance, the ENABLED/AUTO settings will normally be fine. If you ALWAYS want your pickups to act like you're plugged straight into an amp (you don't use those FX), then on the INPUT BLOCK of each preset set the IN-Z to "1M Ohm". This overrides the GLOBAL IN-Z setting and is as close as Helix gets to that (plugged straight into an amp) behavior. There's a spreadsheet online somewhere that has all of the Helix FX impedance info, but I can't find it just now. Here's a partial list distilled from that SS. Thanks to @John Mark Painter on TGP. The post is from 2020, so you might want to do a search for the actual spreadsheet which was updated to v3.80: All Dynamics are 1M All Reverbs are 1M All Pitch are 1M All Filters are 1M Wah with Impedance Changes Weeper 90k Teardrop 90k UK 136k Delays with Impedance changes Analog Echo 230k Elephant Man 90k Analog w/Mod 90k MultiHead 22k Cosmos 10k Modulations with Impedance changes 70's Chorus 22k Analog Chorus 22k Courtesan 136 Vibe Rotary 90k Dual Phaser 230k U-Vibe 90k Distortion with Impedance Changes BIGHORN (Tested manually...check for yourself and confirm) 70k? Deranged Master 22-32k Colordrive 136k Triangle Fuzz 22k Fuzz Pi 22k Arbitrator 10k Facial Fuzz 22k Buzz Saw 230k Tychoctavia 230k Octave Fuzz 230k Jumbo Fuzz 90k Industrial Fuzz 10k Hedgehog 230k Scream 808 230k Scream 230k

I spent most of my career in technical training and education in the private sector (i.e. a business, not a publicly funded institution). Prepare for a potential short term expression of ‘need’ (desire, actually), followed by a deafening silence once the actual cost per student for business viability is known. But please, everyone, surprise me! Indicate in your expression of need how much you would be willing to pay per hour of learning.

he is in Stomp A mode... he used Control Center to assign the snapshots to the five FS's on the bottom row.

Not with the looper flags, those should not involve midi. The use of the midi flags is my workaround for the issue. They work better than the dedicated looper flags.

Yes. Open a support ticket to report a bug.

It's all the same to dial down your hot guitar. I just like the separate volume block, because it's easier to see what it's doing. And easy to copy/paste it. Guitar pad = input level = using a volume block. But guitar pad is fixed of course, so you can't adjust it. Also my point is that I have used volume cut not just in the very beginning (input), but also right before the envelope filter, for example.... and other parts of the chain. Helix in my experience was VERY difficult to dial in for my needs in the beginning. So much so, that I was getting very frustrated! Took me several weeks to recreate my "signature" sound. And then I was tweaking still.... The feel was also very "hard", like I needed to be very articulate, and the notes would not come out as easy as on a tube amp. Then I added a compressor after some time, and that solved that issue! Now of course, it's been years since I figured out all the tricky sounds. It took me many iterations of reviewing concert board mixes, etc. Now I can say that I'm very happy how my presets sound and most importantly feel.

Cool videos! I appreciate your responses, thank you!

Done. Thanks for noticing.

I have not had this issue but the Stadium is not my primary rig right now. I have level set checked my presets before by using the 3 OSC Generator to generate a tone and checking with YouLean Loudness meter. It can provide a solid baseline for level setting but has to be close to the input and does take up a block. But I have also used a Looper so that I can catch playing dynamics, which the 3 OSC Generator can't do.

Thank you so much Thanks to you, it worked out well May your life be full of happiness

The answer is “everything”, and the “when” is now - as long as it is FREE!

All, I was making this too complicated ... I WAS WRONG - for those who read the two responses I just deleted. So after much trial and error it runs out the instant command (thunderbolt) feature in command center is much easier than I thought for sending MIDI commands via Snapshots. Or as Mark said in the movie "Renaissance Man" ... "Too easy drill sergeant!". Unlike the OG Helix Floor were I had to use a instant command for each snapshot, in the Stadium I start with snapshot one. Then I go to command center and select just the first instant command thunderbolt. For my amp I will only have to use MIDI channel one using CC as my command selection. I will start with my mesa JP-2C channel one which is CC#20 and set it for snapshot control (in the Stadium app it is a right click on CC# label then use the slide bar to enable)(on the Stadium itself you will see it pop-up when you touch the CC# label if enabling touch). 64 will be my on value and I am testing various wait commands currently using 2 ms; not sure but I may just set it to zero later after some final tests. Then I just activate the snapshot I want to change the CC# value for, make the change, and done. So you only need one instant command in my scenario with variable CC# YMMV. It may seem like more work to go between home change snapshot then back to command center or you can have the Stadium at your computer/laptop while working on this for a little less work. It almost felt like an Easter Egg until I read and read and then read again within the manual and then the lightbulb turned on in my pea brain. <darn it> jpd

That's expected and normal, as it mirrors the physical behavior. Combine 2 signals and you get louder signal. I discovered this on the Helix when I added a delay in parallel by accident. Then when I removed it, the preset's level changed. I wound up keeping a delay in parallel as it's easier to manage in the end, and all of my presets have that delay, even if it's not used, for consistency in terms of the level.

When weirdness happens on digital gear, perform a factory reset. Don't forget to back up your presets first!

Yes, I had overlooked the FRFR part in my earlier response. The AI directions seem correct to me as far as they go. But I think it has overlooked the desire to use either the real amp or an amp sim at any time. You still need the amp sim block after the FX Loop and you need to arrange for it to be bypassed when the FX Loop is on. You will need to use a Split block after the amp sim with a Cab/IR after the Split to provide cab simulation to the FRFR. I would use the 2nd Output block rather than a Send block for the FRFR signal. The signal entering the Split block should have either the amp’s preamp or the amp sim, not both. Choose/configure the Split block to send the signal through to both paths. One path goes to the amp’s cab while the other goes through a cab sim to the FRFR. Set up your presets to use either your amp’s preamp or an amp sim, not both. For your amp’s preamp activate the FX Loop, and deactivate it for the amp sim. If you want to get really fancy and use either the amp’s preamp or an amp sim in the same preset you might look into using Snapshots to activate or bypass the FX Loop and the amp sim with one footswitch.

brydo, I haven't had this issue "yet". And I am not saying this doesn't have to be addressed at some point in command center. When you use your finger to touch the problem footswitch, assuming you've left the footswitch themselves assigned to press and touch, does a menu popup on the Stadium XL itself and allow you to unassign it? jpd

UPDATE: I opened up the LT and used a multimeter to test the power supply unit's input and output voltages. These are the measured results: INPUT: PIN 1 to PIN 2: 122 VAC OUTPUT: PIN 1 to PIN 3 12.42VDC PIN 1 to PIN 4 12.42VDC PIN 2 to PIN 3 12.42VDC PIN 2 to PIN 4 12.42VDC Measurements of both the input and outputs were done when the unit did NOT boot up properly, AND when the device did boot up properly and was fully functional with no issues. Lastly, while inside, I made sure all terminal and molex connections were clean and making good contacts: - from the incoming power cable, - throught the rocker switch, - input molex connector on PSU, - output molex connector on PSU, - molex connector on circuit board (from PSU) I have read that there "could" be a startup sequencing glitch that may be causing the problem, but cannot confirm nor know where or how to diagnose this possibility> Thanks again for everyone's assistance.

My bad. I was sure it was called Return Level in the Global Settings. But actually it's called Send/ReturnL and Send/ReturnR. Btw: I've repeatedly asked for a "separate Send and Return Level parameters" feature in a future update. Combined Send/Return level pairs (the status quo) can be a limitation in a lot of use cases (4CM with amps, Tonex in the loop etc). Sends and Returns should be treated independently.

There are no set rules how you can connect things. But in most cases XLR should go to FOH, and 1/4 for everything else. XLR are balanced, meaning they are noise canceling, which only makes a difference when long cables are involved.

Hi In link below is my Cheat Sheet for 3.80 and from page 6 and forward all effects are listed with input imp. The base is the same sheet rd2rk refer to (reference to my sources on the last page). The newer ones are either from original unit, from schematics or from other sources I found. https://line6.com/support/topic/67546-a-cheat-sheet-fw-380-amps-cabs-and-effects/?do=findComment&comment=508954 The starting point is that L6 simulates based on the specification/circuit design of the original unit. If they chose a different starting point, for example use a different input impedance, there could be a difference to my numbers... I have no proof that this is the case, not from the older units and not for the ones I added. /Per

No

Dani197819, What I am reading in this thread sounds like a "Yamaha/Line6 University" and or "Helix Stadium University" request. silverhead is correct in that, so far, this is out of the realm of Yamaha/Line 6 wheelhouse. Many years ago this forum (I remember the first Mesa Boogie forum) and others began evolving into a community of fellow musicians sharing their tips and tricks that has evolved into a great KB sharing community for musicians. Having said that, while the truth (information) is out there (forgive me X files), with all the many various YouTube creators tips & tricks AND how-to videos to date for just about everything they have learned and how to use the many levels of the product, modeling itself as well as what Helix has done and may well be being done by other manufacturers has evolved and is evolving into a platform of many disciplines. In the OG Helix and the Stadium forums I've seen basic how to(s) for getting the amp to be adjusted for what the end user want to hear. I've seen threads on using 3rd party devices for level normalizing and checking. I've seen some recording suggestions tips and tricks. I've even read discussions on the frequency curves for amplifier speakers for hi and low cuts to get as authentic a sound as possible from modelers. I agree we have come into the "as simple and as complex" world for modeling devices as we want to get. I am wondering if the real challenge is that a University type of teaching platform would require every thing the Helix Stadium can do to be broken down into many levels to include but not be limited to routing for one, midi for one, preset leveling, multipath creation, even sound recording for stem extraction and tracking (Showcase), etc. I know that there are musicians saying the OG Helix is all the need right now and others using the Stadium very happy with the new current and upcoming improvements for the "stage control rig of the future" this can and is becoming. This leads me to my final action item questions ... how many would appreciate the need for this type of university approach as well as the additional costs we might pay for this training. Hopefully someone reading this thread will be able to formulate a business model development approach if enough of us request and deem it necessary enough. Thanks for starting this thread. jpd

Hello all ! All is in the title... Someone knows how to do ?

I have the same problem! I could set the first expression pedal, but not the second.

The minimum volume knob on the pedal is likely causing this. Set it to it's minimal position.