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Out of curiosity will there be a way to import or load HD500 or HD500x patches?  Just curious if I am going to have to rebuild my HD500 patches if/when I purchase the unit.  Just wishful thinking on my part.

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totally different architecture, routing, FX, amps, separate cabs, IR's...  no way anything translates directly.  Expect to build all new patches. ;)

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Out of curiosity will there be a way to import or load HD500 or HD500x patches? Just curious if I am going to have to rebuild my HD500 patches if/when I purchase the unit. Just wishful thinking on my part.

Even if it were possible, why would you want to? Helix is supposed to be a superior modeler. You'd effectively be paying $1500 for a device that would then proceed do an impression of the POD you already have.

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I'm likely to get a Helix, and am expecting to have to re-construct my favorite patches, but in reality, I'd think it would be theoretically possible to import patches. The patches are nothing more than spec's or instructions for the HD500(X) to put together this amp and that speaker with this DEP setting and that mike, and that FX block with these settings in these block positions... The Helix has so many more possibilities that if you make use of them, there'd be no way to export back to a 500(X).

 

This is somewhat analogous to when the 500X came out -- the saved 500 patches themselves were not loadable from the PC directly to the 500X, but it was only the file extension. If you copy the patch file and rename it with the new file extension, or drag and drop, the file works in the 500X. With the expanded DSP of the 500X though, if you loaded a patch up close to it's DSP limit, if you went back to the 500 with the patch from the 500X, it would error out, as it would not have the DSP to do the deal.... I have a 500X and a backup 500 -- I keep them in sync fairly regularly -- back & forth with set lists and patches, etc. I don't make use of dual amp patches, so rarely have I had issues with files from the 500X not working in the 500 -- once, I think, I had too many FX, or DSP heavy FX and the 500 choked on it. I think I went to a less DSP intensive reverb -- it was no biggie, as I recall.

 

I would expect the Helix to be capable of doing what a 500(X) would set up to do, and much more. If they changed the internal file structure of the patch backup to be incompatible (more than just a file extension), then not likely unless someone would create some translator app.

 

Now -- I'm betting all of this is moot, as the Helix "HX" amps & FX were all modeled from the ground up. Even if they could receive the patch setup instructions, they would likely not sound the same at all, so you'd end up tweaking anyway...  

 

Dave

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Well... if you have hundred of patches and you sell you old device for the new one, it start to make sense!!!!...

 

The final goal isn't to play the 500 or 500x patches on Helix but to import the value and the type of the effects from one device to another.

After that I agree, you must work on it

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rino2 pretty much hit it on the head.  Obviously Helix is a better modeler which is the whole point of upgrading to it.  But having the capability of pulling in a patch that I am already familiar with and the effect chains would give me a good reference point to start from.  I have two albums out with my prog band which in some songs includes up to 4 patch changes with the same amount of Variax model changes that i have to be able to recreate live along with maintaining a sonic balance with the rest of the band but mainly the keyboard player.  I know that a lot of effort went into Helix to make it very easy to work with, so it may end up being a moot point in the end.

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FWIW - I cultivated a routine for "patch cloning" - true its not perfect but if you follow the steps here, its should get you in the ball park 

 

Patch Cloning

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4087.0

 

 

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This is more difficult because each manufacturers DSP modeler has its own peculiar strengths and weaknesses, but you can  build a library of patches for your new DSP Amp Modeling multi-FX unit by reviewing the settings of patches you desire on third party pedals - as long as they have an Editor that can load patches for review "off line" without the need to own the genuine   multi-FX unit for the tones you seek  - recreate your favorite patches as follows:

 

1)  Download the "Guitar MultiFX Y"  patches you have interest in, and have a ballpark idea what they should sound like. 

2) Install and launch the "Guitar MultiFX Y" Editor  - just must confirm the Editor allows you to view and edit all patch parameters without the actual ""Guitar MultiFX Y" actually present and connected via USB. )

3) Load the desired "Guitar MultiFX Y" patch of interest

4) Inspect and document all the control settings and FX parameters for "Guitar MultiFX Y"! (hint, use a spreadsheet app, or take many screenshots of the FX parameter Edit screens) 

5) Close the "Guitar MultiFX Y" Editor

6) Launch the Editor for your current Guitar MultiFX unit, or navigate the Helix LCD.

7) Select a User patch area for "research and development"  and Intialize it to clear and create a black patch area:    

8 ) Then the fun begins! Use the Helix LCD and attempt to adjust all available Helix controls so they get in the ballpark of the "Guitar MultiFX Y" control settings acquired in step #4, and save it with a similar name as the "Guitar MultiFX Y" patch, but on the Helix.

9 ) Monitor your progress on Helix and listen.

10 ) Repeat Step #8  as necessary. 

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Out of curiosity will there be a way to import or load HD500 or HD500x patches?  Just curious if I am going to have to rebuild my HD500 patches if/when I purchase the unit.  Just wishful thinking on my part.

 

I wouldn't even want to do this.  Part of new tech for me is seeing what I get make it do!

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so just a quick question... i have a HD500x..... on the custometones say the HD500x doesnt have a patch i want but the helix or HD500 or something else has a patch...

Can i still download it onto the HD500x? 

I know if it was possible that i would still have to tweak or whatnot etc etc or might have certain things missing but would it still work as a starter to work off in a way?

 

Cheers for any responses! :)

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so just a quick question... i have a HD500x..... on the custometones say the HD500x doesnt have a patch i want but the helix or HD500 or something else has a patch...

Can i still download it onto the HD500x? 

I know if it was possible that i would still have to tweak or whatnot etc etc or might have certain things missing but would it still work as a starter to work off in a way?

 

Cheers for any responses! :)

Helix presets won't work in HD500 and vice versa. The other question you have is probably more appropriate for the HD forum. 

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