PeterHamm

I suspect you can't match the levels exactly enough, but I don't have another interface to test.

Here's a tip. Skip the FX loops and ignore snapshots for now. Also multiple chain patches (like most of mine) don't help you as an instance of Helix Native only has one input (although it can be stereo I suppose). But... if you find that you need to have two paths at once... just load up another Helix Native Instance. I've had 3 running with no problems.

You got it. May seem like common sense, but not for people who haven't done a lot of this.

You could just try and replicate the signal chain of a favorite artist to get their tone. For instance, lets say you want to sound like Peter Townshend's recorded tone from the 70s. You would dial up a model that is like a Gretsch 6120 (which is what he played on most of those records the most) Then knowing he used a Bandmaster, select the Bassman which is most similar. Then knowing he used a 3 x 10 cab, dial up the 4 x 10 that's in there, which is most similar. If you can play like him, you will then find you sound a lot like him. But if you're like me, you'll find your own tone. Your calll. Try weird things, though. It's fun.

If you use the same patches in Helix as in Native, you will get the same sound if you use Helix as your input device and don't change the volume level of the recorded dry guitar. If you use a different input device and/or have your raw guitar track at a different level, how would you NOT expect the sound to be quite different. That's all I'm saying.

btw, for what it's worth... I have heard a rumor that the guy in Cincinnati who is testing Helix Native was unable to get the latest build to crash or glitch today... ...but don't quote me on that... ...for anyone who is anticipating and trying to figure out how they are going to use Helix Native, though... here's a tip, maybe the #1 tip you need. imho... the best way to run this is to record through Helix if you have one because the input circuitry is so darned good. DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO NORMALIZE YOUR RECORDED GUITAR TRACKS! Your patches respond to the way guitar comes into Helix. Normalize your tracks and your patches will sound wrong. Your tracks will look like they are way way too quiet. They are fine. I promise you. Just leave them alone. That is a super-important tip. I'll put it out there on the fb groups, too...

Good idea. I don't know the RJM toe saver. But the Dragster is NOT a buffer. It's entirely passive, and although some claim it makes a big difference (especially with wireless units), there are plenty who think it's entirely snake oil. I suspect it depends on the usage. But most tuners do a buffer. No idea if it will solve the issues I personally have with using a Return as a guitar input, haven't tried it.

Yup, and I contend that this is because the Helix tuner is too accurate for such use. And for what you describe, there is NOTHING like a PolyTune. Every guitarist who plays live in such situations should have one.

I'm gonna be the naysayer here... Yeah, you can plug a guitar into the Return input. (The Aux input in the regular Helix Floor that you don't have is bad for electric guitar, excellent for preamp-equipped acoustic guitar or bass). But you don't have the Auto-Z functionality. And in my experience, an Electric guitar doesn't sound quite right through the FX returns. Also, I think if you have two different instruments playing through Helix at the same time, it can be a pain for one or both of the players... I mean live there. In the Studio, it's brilliant.

I don't tune between songs in my situation, at least not very often, and when it happens I pretty much know which string is off and concentrate on it, and my Andersons stay in tune well enough that once I tune them and get it right, I don't really have to retune later. If I played 1 hour sets where I needed to touch up tuning, I'd get a my Polytune every time and be done with it. It's a unique product that does that well. Not as accurate (in six-string display mode) but for something real quick? Nothing else will do. When I tune for the first time before a gig starts, I take longer than 2.5 minutes... really. One of the reasons I don't use a Floyd. hee hee. Also, the tone roll-off has helped every tuner I've owned for years, so I just keep doing it, I'm so used to it it's no problem. But seriously, and I'm not trying to be a lollipop here... imho, plucking the string and tuning to the attack is the only right way to do it... A few SECONDS...? Don't forget, most of the music you make is at the HEAD end of a note, not the tail. I'd rather tune to the attack (a technique I learned from a high-end guitar builder). I'd rather have the note trail off flat from an in-tune first few ms than start off sharp and then trail off flat any day.

My quick and raw video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSRbffNC5wI

Submitted for your consideration. I didn't even prepare for this by practicing. I just made the video as quick and dirty as I could. StroboStomp 2 vs. Helix tuner. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSRbffNC5wI

It seems to be an occasional issue with other brands as well. It seems to go away if you connect directly to the Rack instead of Control. They are aware of it and are working on it. That said, if it's debilitating for you, you should open a ticket. The more info they have the better, I expect.

Using an IEM can be awesome, but when you tweak your tone, do it through an FRFR or the PA, then, while you are playing through the IEM, resist the temptation to tweak your patch. Trust the work you've already done.

So, the accuracy of the Peterson is TOO good. A guitar string is not ringing at a given pitch forever, it warbles (based on how old it is, how pitted it is from the strings, etc.) and probably goes down in pitch as time goes on. Guitarists forget this. Sometimes I think they don't want an accurate tuner, they just want a quick tune. I'm sure that's none of YOU guys, though...

Nope. I don't need one as my DAW has one built in and I also have the TC tuner plug-in.

if it's anything like my ZOOM pedals I use with my Helix Rack/Control, I ended up making a custom cable. TS at the Helix end, and TRS at the pedal end, where the connector from the Tip goes to Ring, Tip is void, and Sleeve is normal.

They sound identical here, too. Exactly the same.

I'm not from Line 6 but have ideas. I PMed you.

PMed you...

Everybody take a drink.

The gain block has been mentioned, but I have found that the Minotaur (Klon), set all the way clean, and setting the tone control to taste, is my favorite boost pedal possibility in there. It simply works magic. Teemah! (Timmy) is also good for this. I agree about the others not being my cup of tea either. IMHO, though, the Timmy and Klon can both be made to do practically anything, and stacking one of each is total magic. Fuzz must be first in the chain and your input impedance must be set to auto or whatever that fuzz requires to make it work best. Otherwise, it just doesn't cut it. All that said, Helix has 4 loops. So if you MUST have a specific pedal, just add it in there!

You can also program your patches so that they ONLY use one and not the other. Then it doesn't matter if you remember to turn down the guitar.

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