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Thank you for the tip!!! I'm sure it will work since the old patches still come up with the +/- 1 field. Thanks Again!! I am surprised you can't do this since I would think a main use for a synth would be to have diatonic notes coming out of it. Not notes 1/8 to 1/4 of a step out of tune. Without that, it's fairly worthless to me.

I was playing with some of Freman's patches that use the 4 oscillator synth to allow you to play chords from the synth, along with yourself. His patch will have, for example, a frequency of 274Hz. However, when I go to change it, it jumps to, and will only adjust in, increments of 10 Hz (120-130-140, etc.) down to when it goes below 100Hz, then it will adjust in increments of 1 Hz. So how did Freman get a frequency of 274Hz? I'm trying to create some new chords and the 10Hz increment just ain't cutting it. I need the frequencies in between. Past 1K it only adjusts in increments of 100Hz which is worse but I could work with that. So again, how was Freman able get that 273Hz frequency on one of the oscillators? Is that from an older version of Firmware? Does anyone know?

One thing you DON'T want to do is have both the 1/4" and VDI inputs with cables in them at the same time. You can damage the JTV's circuitry. Not always, but it does happen, and will eventually if you keep doing it. What you are describing by the way, won't happen currently. And the circuit hardware it would require for a limited consumer base, I'm very positive would not warrant putting one in. Also, they could have done that 2-3 Pod's ago and didn't. I just don't think the interest is there. You're the only person I've heard desiring this. Not that it's a character flaw or anything. Just the reality of it.

I think it sounds more like a Gibson 335

I think it might be a firewall issue with me. Ignore my previous statement.

Doesn't matter. Link doesn't work. You can get here https://www.soundwoofer.se/ But if you click on library, it ain't there.

It would be cool if you could create and save several Global EQ curves. Unfortunately it's either on or off so to make a Fletcher Munson curve for all those different environments would require you to reprogram the global EQ each time. That may change in a another update but I really honestly don't know..

So I got a 9 volt and tried this. If you have the mics that came with it, they only work OK at best (I know you said you don't have them but or anyone else) . A separate mic works/sounds much better. I just put the mic (SM58) in path 2 and it worked pretty darn good. I did have to boost the mic level in global settings. I put the FX send between the separate amp and cab and set the growl on the Free Speech as low as it would go. Didn't use the Free Speech output. To switch between the two I just linked each path's XLR output level to snapshots and turned path 1 (amp path) all the way down and path 2 (talk box path) all the way up for one snapshot and visa versa for the other snapshot. I was really impressed with the way it sounded. I only had it turned up to "bedroom" volume so I can't comment on any feedback issues with that. I did have a little bit of feedback issues with the Free Speech's included mics but with the SM58, no feed back issue at all. Again, this was at a loud bedroom level. Hope this all helps. I would say you're on your own now. Thank you for your thoughts Spikey. Now it's just a major inconvenience. No pain. Thanks again.

Another thought. Separate the amp and it's cab and put the send between those. That's essentially how the original was used. Regarding the " I have to figure out how to have the guitar output mute while the talk box is on ". I'm assuming you mean the talk box mic output (the FX send on path A). I assume you still want the guitar to go through your virtual amp. To do this, take the FX send on path 1A, right click on it and assign it to a footswitch. Pressing that footswitch will turn it off and on.

Here's one way I would try using the Free Speech based on what it sounds like you want to do. Put an FX send right after your input (guitar). Make sure it is at instrument level. That goes to your FX input. Put the tube on a mic stand with whatever mic you plan on using (Frampton used duck tape essentially taping it to the mic). Here's a quote from the Free Speech manual Don’t be shy! Insert the tube at least 2 inches into your mouth. The closer you get your mouth to the microphones—the sweeter the sound! So you need to make sure there is enough of the tube length past the mic that allows you to put that much of the tube in your mouth but allows you to get your mouth as close to the mic as you can. Remember, ultimately the sound of the talk box is coming out of your mouth and that, of course, goes into the mic. Look at about 5:45 into the video I attached. Now plug the mic into your mic input of the Helix. Here comes the tricky part. You can do this two ways. The easy way is to just make the input to path 2 your mic. Then route it to whatever output you want. The tricky way is you could actually create a parallel path on path 1. Here's one way how. You need to create an FX block with an effect that uses the lowest amount of DSP (I think that wold be a send or return). It doesn't matter what it is. You will have it off anyway but it's the only way to create a parallel path. Click and hold on that FX block and pull it down below path 1. Another parallel path will be created. Let go. There will be one point where the bottom path splits off of the top path and another point where it returns to the top path. Click and hold the first point where it splits off and pull it down below the top path like you did with the effect. Presto, you now have another inputs on path 1. 1A (top path) and 1B (bottom path). Just turn the FX send off. It's only needed to create the parallel path. Assign the bottom paths input to your mic. Now you have two choices as far as the point where path 1B returns to path A. You can click and drag it anywhere on path 1A and it would probably be best to put it right before the output. Or you could again, click and drag it down and presto, you have another output. You would want to do this if you want to top path to go to your amp through the 1/4" outputs and the bottom path to go to the sound board through your XLR outputs, for example. I have inluded a picture of how each path would look. The rest is up to you regarding levels and all that. There's a strong possibility of feedback so just be aware of that. Ever since I've gotten into Line 6 I really haven't used any of my stomps and I have NO 9volt batteries. Unfortuantely I am at home, alone, with a broken kneecap so I can't just run to the store and get some. I say this to let you know I haven't actually tested this. That's why the rest is up to you and why I have so much time on my hands to answer your question. Good Luck!!! And as soon as I can get some 9 volts I'm going to try this out myself. Your post inspired me to do that. It's the one effect the Helix just can't do. Can't recreate tube in a mouth. The Line 6 HD500 had an effect called the Vocoder that used the mic. You actually had to sing/speak into the mic and it would do something to the signal using your voice to manipulate the filter. Never actually tried it. Helix doesn't have it. I think it would be cool to put it in even though I never used it before but there are Youtubes. Search HD500 Vocoder if ya wanna check it out. Hope this helps.

So I have a Danelectro Free Speech pedal and there are some questions you need to answer before you can be answered as it can be used several ways. You can use it with the included mics going back into the Free Speech unit's mic input, the output of the unit then going into your amp (or FX return in your case) not the mic input. Or you can just use a regular mic in which case you would normally just have that mic go straight to the board or into your Helix in your case. Have you used a talk box before? The original talk box had the guitar going into the amp. (See pic below) The amps output then went to the box (that's right, the actual amps output straight into the box). The amps signal was then split and sent to two places. One was just sent right back out again into your cab. The other was sent to a small size driver (speaker) in the unit. The drivers sound was then sent to a long plastic tube (you put one end of the tube over the thing sticking up in the middle. That's where the driver's sound came out of).The other end of the plastic tube was then put into your mouth where the sound came out and you shaped it using your mouth. The sound that came out of your mouth is what the mic picked up and that signal was just sent from there directly to the sound board or to another amp. I think both methods were used. The Free Speech unit doesn't work that way. It eliminates the guitar going into the amp. The guitar just goes directly into the unit. I'm not sure how well I described how the talk box was first used but before going any further some questions must be asked. Have you used a talk box before? Did you buy the unit used? If you did, did it come a long plastic tube with two small microphones that go to a 1/8" stereo plug that goes into the mic input of the unit? If you've used a talk box before, what was your signal path?

Check out Jason Sadites on YouTube. That's a great place to start. The series is called How To Create A Great Sounding Tone. There are about 16 of them. It may sound like a lot but it's because the Helix has a lot.

Ocassional mistakes aren't dumb. Not admitting them is. I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. There are so many parameters and options with setups these days, mistakes are just going to happen.

This has been discussed before and not only it would add a bit to the price, but a lot of people wouldn't use it, including me.

I don't think Native is a stand alone program. I think you have to run it as a plugin. Like in a DAW.

Don't know if this will help but as GBR said, the Helix has had it's issues with the Variax. One of those issues was fixed, the last upgrade but, I was told, if it's a patch from a previous Helix version, I might have to re establish the Snapshot connection which, I believe, just means unassigning the parameter from Snapshots and reassigning it again. I haven't had to do that but it might be worth a try in your case if it's a patch you created before the 2.81 upgrade. I'm not sure if you have to save the patch after unassigning it and reassigning it after that for the re establishment to work. Worth a shot if that's the case.

That is so cool. I know this kind of stuff is possible. Just haven't had the time to really check it out.

I wish the Don't Force option would be at the end and not at the beginning for the Variax Volume and Tone knobs. The way it is now I have to turn my Volume/Tone knob option in the Helix all the way down to get to the Don't Force option which means, for example, when I select it for the Volume knob, the Variax is turned all the way down and I have to move my Volume knob to get it back up again. One thing for sure is, the one place I've NEVER wanted the Volume or Tone knobs to be when I select Don't Force is all the way down. A very small thing, easily worked around but it does bug me a bit. Anyone else care about this? Heading to Ideascale. https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Helix-Variax-Volume-Tone-knob-Don-t-Force-options/963408-23508?submitted=1

I wish the Don't Force option would be at the end and not at the beginning for the Variax Volume and Tone knobs. The way it is now I have to turn my Volume/Tone knob option in the Helix all the way down to get to the Don't Force option which means, for example, when I select it for the Volume knob, the Variax is turned all the way down and I have to move my Volume knob to get it back up again. One thing for sure is, the one place I've NEVER wanted the Volume or Tone knobs to be when I select Don't Force is all the way down. A very small thing, easily worked around but it does bug me a bit.

This isn't really a bug but it does bug me. I wish the Don't Force option would be at the end and not at the beginning for the Variax Volume and Tone knobs. The way it is now I have to turn my Volume/Tone knob option in the Helix all the way down to get to the Don't Force option which means, for example, when I select it for the Volume knob, the Variax is turned all the way down and I have to move my Volume knob to get it back up again. One thing for sure is, the one place I've NEVER wanted the Volume or Tone knobs to be when I select Don't Force is all the way down. A very small thing, easily worked around but it does bug me a bit. Heading to Ideascale with this. Here https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Helix-Variax-Volume-Tone-knob-Don-t-Force-options/963408-23508?submitted=1

Thas to do with the Don't Force option the Heelix has for the Variax models. The Helix itself DOES NOT have a Don't Force option BUT the HX Edit program DOES!! When I select the Don't Force option in HX Edit, the Helix unit stays on the last selection before the Don't Force option. That would be Custom 1-5. When I select the Don't Force option in HX Edit it does work but the Helix just indicates the last model I used. So for now the option is there but only in HX edit and there is no way that I can see to tell if it is in the Don't Force option from the Helix. I see no way to select this option from the Helix itself.

So I just checked this out and you are correct. That is definitely a bug. I use a Variax but I never use the don't force option. Bottom line is the Helix itself DOES NOT have a Don't Force option BUT the HX Edit program DOES!! When I select the Don't Force option in HX Edit, the Helix unit stays on the last selection before the Don't Force option. That would be Custom 1-5. So you are right. When I select the Don't Force option in HX Edit it does work but the Helix indicates the last model I used. So for now the option is there but only in HX edit and there is no way that I can see to tell if it is in the Don't Force option from the Helix's screen. I see no way to select this option from the Helix itself. This actually kind of leads to a slight beef I have with the Don't Force option as far as the Tone and Volume knobs go. I wish the Don't Force option would be at the end and not at the beginning. The way it is now i have to turn my Volume/Tone knob option in the Helix all the way down to get to the Don't Force option which means, for example, when I select it for the Volume knob, the Vaiax is turned all the way down and I have to move my Volume knob to get it back up again. One thing for sure is, the one place I've NEVER wanted the Volume or Tone knobs to be when I select Don't Force is all the way down. A very small thing, easily worked around but it does bug me a bit. I'm going to put this in the Bug thread.

Not now. Not sure if ever.

That was that person's first post? There's something else going on here I think. Flamage of some kind? I would pay less attention than I have to this.

You can roll back to 2.71 until they fix what's wrong. Just assuming you weren't aware of that.