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Yeah, it'll work. I don't have THAT specific device, but I've used similar stuff and had the Stomp color it up. The limitations are the Stomp's 6 blocks (though IMO you really shouldn't do TOO much to a vocal) and the limits of what the Stomp's effects can do to a voice. They were designed for guitar, so while that doesn't mean you can't apply them to vocal, what works great for intended medium doesn't always knock it out of the park for another.

That seems pretty impossible to believe. I'd be very curious to see the supporting stuff for that. Also, just as a side note, it can't include all types of signals, since an optical cable literally uses light to send its signals. The below seems to break it down - maybe you were exaggerating with the whole "walking" thing, but I took you literally. http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=2910

I think there's a balance, but the point is still true that almost any song played good can sound good on any reasonable rig. That doesn't mean that certain tweaks won't take it from good to legendary. If we're pretending to be scientific, I'd say 80% skill, 20% gear.

Cutting through the back and forth with another view ... I think the power supply sucks. Look, even if it were ALL true that there was no other way (which I can believe) but to adopt that brick ... Who decided to make the cord itself shorter than a shoe lace? I dare one person, ANY person to reply that they would NOT prefer the cord length be longer.

Also, if anyone missed it, the above is what TRUE transparency looks like. That is most definitely not how a Walmart or Sony would answer. It'd sound something like: "Good idea on updating the manual! At Sony we are always striving to improve. Keep sending your suggestions our way. We are ALWAYS listening." It is polite, but tells you literally nothing of importance.

I don't know. When people don't get it I'm confused too, but rd2rk has been around here long enough to see the endless advice to "Cut, cut, cut, and cut!" some more. If it was going to work for him it would have done so already. Best thing is to give him advice if possible on another alternative.

Considering how much the manual bugs you I guess I can understand that that ONE thread would drive you nuts, but there's plenty of other threads on here that make it clear it ain't happening in Spring. Hell, the fact it's past Spring makes it clear. Beyond that, what exactly are you proposing we, the fans, do? No matter how you toss it, dice it, or slice it, it's completely out of my hands. I'm WAY stoked to get the update, and I would have loved for it to come out on time, but because I think that: A. Line 6's estimate of Spring 2019 was their best good faith estimate at the time. B. They're probably a bit disappointed themselves they missed it. C. They REALLY were trying . . . Because of ALL those things I named above, I just don't get the point in dog piling on them. What does pissing all over them accomplish? Like seriously, what does it do? Especially when there are plenty of other people bitching at them, there's no reason I need to pick up a torch. I am just going to sit back and continue to play my guitar. Maybe I'll write a song about it called, "Patience and Pitchforks." I'm not questioning your credentials, and I'm sure you're solid at your job, but I've been nothing but impressed by Line 6's community interaction. The ONLY site that the Helix L6 staff has kind of been radio silence on is this one - and even that's stepped up lately. They're constantly interacting and giving updates that it's SOON . . . and that if they were any more specific it would be an out and out lie because what happens is each day they go in hoping it MIGHT be it - and then a new bug rears its head. They do have a bit of an edge to their responses if you try to pick a fight - that's part of their feel and has been for quite some time. I like it. It's fun. Some won't, but it's still a legitimate style. They're kind of like Wendy's where if you ask them over Twitter for a free side of fries they tell you to go *?!$@! yourself for free instead. Meanwhile McDonalds pretends like free fries are a perfectly reasonable request and they wish they could do it (you know, the standard BS that most companies give rather than tell it like it is).

Hmmmm . . . I really loved the FRFR result which was why I bailed on the tube approach. WAIT! Stick with me! With that said, my first advice would be that if you already loved the Eganator use it - I mean, you had a connection with it! That's the most important part. Still, I ALMOST bought the DT25 back in the day. I was very close because it was just an amazing idea and more importantly, sound (IMO). If I hadn't fallen for the flat response system, that's the amp I'd own. Especially once 2.8 comes out in 2027, it'll be sweet what you can do with it.

Yeah, I get it. My real job is a commercial lender. The stupid legal agreements I've seen would cause the average person to lollipop themselves stupid.

Diagramming it is not my forte. I'll try to describe it, but doing these things verbally is a real pita. Keep in mind I don't own one, but I've helped others using the exact same kind of device so I get what's going on, but it's always about matching every single thing up well. The Stomp can do what you're wanting to without the additional device so unless you have loads of other stuff you're trying to implement, I'd kind of recommend bailing on the Musicomlab, but again, I'm not saying there aren't good reasons you're using it. Your setup is a personal thing. Cabling: 1. Guitar in to "In" on the Musicomlab EFX - LE. 2. 1/4 Out from "SND 1" on the Musicomlab EFX - LE to the HX Stomp "L/Mono INPUT." 3. 1/4 Out from HX Stomp "SEND Stereo" to "RTN 1" of Musicomlab EFX - LE. 4. 1/4 Out from Musicomlab EFX - LE "SND 2" to Amp "guitar in." 5. 1/4 Out from Amp "effects send" to Musicomlab EFX - LE "RTN 2." 6. 1/4 Out from Musicomlab EFX - LE "SND 3" to HX Stomp's "L/Mono RETURN/AUX In." 7. 1/4 Out from HX Stomp "L/Mono OUTPUT" to "RTN 3" of Musicomlab EFX - LE. 8. 1/4 Out from Musicomlab EFX - LE "OUT L" to Effects return of Amp. HX Stomp Signal Path: (Use the factory 4cm presets to compare to the general setup) 1. Pre-amp effects of choice. 2. FX send/return left block. 3. Post amp effects of choice. Okay, I think that is how to do it. If not it's VERY close. Basically, you'd keep the SND2/RTN2 loop on the Musicomlab always on so that the amp is heard. Then you could activate the SND1/RTN1 if you want pre amp effects or SND3/RTN3 loop for effects loop effects.

Yes, you are bypassing the preamp of your real amp. I'd skip the Stomp's amp simulations. Try the Stomp's pre-amp simulations first.

If you're up for midi control, a standard two switch DMC micro should work wonderfully (https://www.disasterareaamps.com/shop/dmc-micro) You're not wrong though, the buttons are not on the device. The rack is meant to go with the floor attachment, which is a decent chunk of change.

That seems odd. Hopefully they sound like the real deal. We should already know how they sound.

I loved my HD 500x. In my case, I went from the 500x to the Firehawk 1500 (simpler modeler but far easier to setup and to me, a sound advantage) to the HX Stomp. In my opinion the sound difference is . . . it's there but it's not THE reason I'd argue it's worth it. Both units can create great sound. HX Stomp is CLOSER to the units modeled, but if you were never a tone snob you might not care about that at all. I always liken the difference between the two to 1080p vs. 4k. It's there - how much you adore it will vary from person to person. However, where the HX line just blew my socks off was the routing possibilities. The 500x first introduced me to what you can do with that, and the HX takes it to the next quantum leap. Snapshots, multiple controls by one footswitch, the dual routing . . . it gets very nice. One caveat though, and this is something to think about coming off the 500x. The full Helix easily blows away the 500x on routing, BUT the Stomp is questionable since it currently maxes out at 6 blocks. That's fewer than what the 500x was capable of. For me, I knew this going into it. I had existing regular pedals I loved that I was all too happy to integrate to give me more DSP in the Stomp, and I also was keeping the 1500 which also had modelling if the Stomp came up short. Going from a straight 500x to an HX Stomp and nothing else might make you feel a bit more limited in ways that you don't want. Factor in the foot switch numbers difference and the built in wah/volume pedal and again which the 500x has the advantage of, and not necessarily easy trades. PS: Just to be clear though, the Stomp is the coolest piece of gear I've ever bought. It works perfectly for my needs.

That's largely true, there is a bit more going on when online video game betas are being done. Marketing, sure, but a lot of that is also about stress testing how the servers handle a much larger player base. In the case of a user base like the Helix, a huge open beta would make zero sense and cause way more headaches than it's worth (imagine if the beta had a problem bricking a Helix unit, holy hell . . .).

This is only kind of related, but I was about to get extremely pissed at their font choices over on the main L6 page. So that's something.

Yeah, you can do that.

I gave up on the traditional approach a while ago and haven't looked back. I don't personally feel like I'm missing anything.

Well, they don't want to say this publicly, but from what I've heard in a small number of cases it renders people sterile. What they haven't pinned down yet is if that's a bug or a feature.

For sure L6 made him a beta tester. He's likely had some version of it for weeks.

You're not doing it wrong . . . BUT I'm not sure you're doing it the BEST way. The four cable method is meant to NOT muck up your amp's sound. That's the whole point. What 4cm allows you to do is have effects before AND after your pre-amp depending on choice. It's advantageous because some effects traditionally work better before (gain pedals, wah, distortion, compression, phaser) and some traditionally work better after (time based effects like delay, reverb). Utilizing your method you're missing out on one key strength of the Firehawk, which is to have some of its effects prior to your amp. Here's how a 4 cable method would work on the Firehawk: Cable Setup: 1. Guitar in to Firehawk. 2. 1/4 Cable out of Firehawk FX send mono to guitar in on EVH 5150. 3. 1/4 Cable out of EVH 5150 effects send to Firehawk FX FX return mono. 4. 1/4 cable out of Firehawk 1/4 mono out into EVH 5150 effects return. Firehawk FX Signal Chain: 1. Effects you want PRIOR to the 5150 played BEFORE the Firehawk FX's amp block. 2. Firehawk FX "FX Loop" block activated and placed before the Firehawk FX amp/cab block. 3. Firehawk FX amp block set to "clean - no amp." 4. Firehawk FX cab set to "No cabinet." (It should just default to this, but double check by pressing the "cab" choice in the app. 5. Any effects you want to be heard in the loop of the EVH 5150 placed after the Firehawk FX amp/cab block. That's how I would set it up, and if connected correctly it ought to give you the best of both worlds that are possible. My recommendation would be to at least test it and see what you think because it opens up a ton of possibilities. I do have a few caveats only you can know: 1. Whether or not the output is line or amp/stomp is something that depends on the amp of chocie. If Line sounds bad at first then mix between the two. Make sure you're checking for both the FX's loop and the FX's output since they each need to be determined. Still, it doesn't take very long to test. 2. Doing it this way might mean you have to largely leave the 5150 effects loop on or give most of the control to the Firehawk. To me this is a plus, not a minus, but still you may have to experiment a bit here. Maybe your originally way will work just fine turning it on and off again. If you hear a lot of hum don't forget about the FX's ground lift button.

Have you not been following the 2.8 update threads? All we know is it's due soon. It could hit tomorrow, or it could be a month from now. We just have to wait and see.

The Stomp is center negative, just like the vast majority of pedals out there. The reason so many solutions require a polarity swap is because the 3rd party L6 cable adaptors (to bring the size down to standard) were designed for older L6 tech that was center positive and also reversed polarity. So if you're using the L6 adaptor you have to use a polarity reverse cable to bring it BACK to center negative. With that said the Truetones are great. I own the 12. Both the 6 and the 12 come with all the cables.

Well, not only that, the stuff was repasted in this very thread he posted just a few above where he complained. At least read the thread's most recent posts that you're jumping into . .

Well, I mean, what is it you want to do with it? I love Helix Native. I primarily use it to record stuff. It works just like the Stomp, except because it's a plugin it's faster for recording, and it has way more blocks. Is that your plan?