Kilrahi

Wireless technology generally gets cheaper year after year, not more costly. Just take a look at Line 6's most recent version - $250 for a product better than stuff that cost over a $1,000 merely ten years ago. Spider V's are already able to do a version of this. I think the next generation Variax should have wireless options. If nothing else the ability to control tunings and stuff with an app for those of us without a full blooded Helix would be amazing. That would be very useful, and not necessarily over the top pricey.

Just to be clear, Digital Igloo has already stated that this update doesn't do that. As much as you and I wish it would.

Well, it does depend upon how you set the parameters. When I do it, volume is more of a boost, so when I move it to the minimum I don't have no volume, it puts it back down to my normal level. Anyway, codamedia's suggestion is a good one I'll have to fiddle with. I never thought of setting the levels of the wah different.

You can set minimum and max settings for your volume pedal. If you reverse them so that the minimum is the higher number then when you press the pedal down to activate the wah it will put your pedal back to normal volume. The only downside to this is you have to think of your volume in reverse. Raising it makes it louder, instead of quieter.

It literally comes with a bass preset. You'll be fine. The 1972 Silvertone is a model of a bass amp. Use a smaller cab if you're still worried.

What did you do instead?

That depends entirely upon the quality of the amplification you are channeling it through. If you're pushing it through a Logitech S120 stereo speaker it'll sound like lollipop. OwnHammers are great.

I'm confused here. Why would you need to spend $100 on a digital interface to convert a signal that can be converted just fine in the Kemper. If you have the LT, there is no XLR input so this device wouldn't work anyway, but even if it did have one, I don't know that an AD/DA conversion is inferior to a SPDIF to AES digital to digital conversion. If you have the full blooded Helix, and you want to use S/PDIF, then why not connect from the Kemper S/PDIF output to the Helix SPDIF input? If you have the Helix LT, then why not just use the Kemper standard 1/4 out to the Helix LT standard 1/4 in? Also, the L6 link is an output, not an input, and is only used in certain Line 6 applications.

There is a big difference between what is legally required and what a true customer/company commitment entails. Again, I'm in no way pissed at Line 6, but just because I can't sue them if tomorrow they announce, "We got sick of how hard this beast is to update so *?!@#! you guys, we already have your money." Yeah, I couldn't sue them, but I could think to myself, "Fractal does WAY better in this arena than Line 6. From now on my money goes there."

There are such a huge wide range of opinions on what it is people are hearing. Personally, I think they're hearing the same thing I have always heard for as long as I can imagine with regular speakers and amps. Even when I was six I would put my head up to a speaker and hear all kinds of artifacts (rattling cones, sub harmonics, crossover distortion, etc.). At its most basic a modeler starts out with the real deal recorded with as accurate a microphone as they can find. BECAUSE all of those artifacts exist in the real deal to some extent, they will show up in any modeler doing the real deal. Personally, I don't know of a way you could even dial that out - though admittedly some people argue that the Axe has managed to dial it out to a great degree. When I first heard it with the HX Stomp I actually stopped and had the thought, "Wow, it even captures that kind of stuff realistically!" So for me it was a wow factor. For others they want to rip out their kidney's and stuff them in their ears.

Just to be clear, I don't think ddenise is the one who recorded that clip. Ddenise is saying that they hear the same thing.

Oddly enough, today at lunch I decided to read whatever I could find today on the "squirrels" mythos and stumbled upon that thread from 2017. As I sat there reading, I asked myself, "Wow, I wonder when this is going to surface on the Line 6 page, or if it already has." Well, I got a response to that karmic thought real quick.

I'm always interested in these situations to hear WHY you want to do it this way. As other shave mentioned, it seems woefully inefficient. Nevertheless, there may be something I'm missing. What were you trying to do?

I know I've deleted posts before. Even threads I started. Did you check the "options" section right by the "edit" section? If I recall right it gives you the option to "hide" or "delete" the post.

I tend to be more laid back about all the views. Line 6 has, on occasion, advertised updates. They're competing against Fractal who has TONS of updates. Based on this, If a consumer says, "Look, they don't update enough for me in this modern world of updates, I'm getting off this train." I get that. It's not really my view but I get that. Me? I bought the Stomp without even thinking one moment about updates. Then when I found out a 2.8 was coming I was like, "Frick! I forgot that WAS a thing!" I try not to think about it, because I'm WAY excited. Still, when all is said and done, if there were never more updates I'm pretty sure I'd still consider it one of the coolest devices ever made. There really is a balance though. People can get way too rude and demanding for what should be a courteous business transaction. Now, I haven't seen that in this thread, but I have seen it. A nice contrast is the Firehawk and Firehawk 1500 forums. To my knowledge (and I have searched) Line 6 NEVER promised any type of updates on those devices besides bug fixes. They've never even indicated they could get new amps and effects. Yet, despite that, numerous consumers act like Line 6 has committed the worst atrocity possible by not adding new ones. Just head over there and you'll see post after post condemning them for that, when for all we know, IT'S FREAKING IMPOSSIBLE TO ADD NEW ONES. TO me, that's too far the other way. They should do bug fixes, yes and some bugs do still exist that should be fixed, but that's all I think they could reasonably owe those of us who purchased those. Anyway, I'm still excited for 2.8. Hopefully sooner rather than later, but I'll still be okay if Christmas ends up coming in July.

Plus, you know that if they truly hadn't said anything about any updates since the last one people would be posting about how unnerving the silence is.

This sounds like a real hairball, and I know you already mentioned the Norton route, but is it possible Norton or a Windows firewall is blocking access of Helix Native to the internet? That wouldn't necessarily mean you have to give up on Norton, but I've run into similar problems with McAfee and I had to go in and grant special permission for that program to access the internet.

As Datacommando indicated above, the manual actual shows an easy way to do it by utilizing the "Send Left" FX block and placing it just before the cab/IR block on your signal chain. The downside of this is obvious, it uses up one of the Stomp's precious six blocks. It would be a god send if they would design the Stomp so that you could create a path B signal chain without using a block, but unfortunately that isn't the case. Still, you should be aware that another option would be to create a path B and have it go out the "send" output on path B to your power amp. Sometimes utilizing an additional delay, or a reverb, or even just a low DSP usage EQ or compressor on a path B can be more useful to your signal chain than a simple FX send block.

I know the original poster (bshaw92) just indicated that he has had his question answered, but since it got me started on a quest to learn what I could (slow night) I wanted to add this quote from Digital Igloo since it also adds more to the convo. Maybe someday someone else will ask about the stock cabs/IR question and this thread will be a nice source of info that pops up: Either way though, to me this solidifies my belief that the whole "IR" obsession is a bit of an "Emperor Has no Clothes" story. Realistically that analogy is FAR too harsh to reality - I'm not saying 3rd party IRs aren't a legitimate thing, they clearly can and often DO sound amazing, and I'm VERY grateful that the HX line lets you use them (and someday I may jump further down that hole than I already have). In fact, it's entirely rational to prefer 3rd party IRs to the stock cabs. However, when people like me prefer stock cabs it makes perfect sense. Based on how Line 6 describes them, it's more on par with me saying, "I prefer Line 6 IRs over Ownhammer Irs" than me saying, "I prefer Line 6 cab emulations over Ownhammer IRs."

What do you know, I managed to find a PDF of the original blog post, even if the blog no longer exists: https://l6c-acdn2.line6.net/data/6/0a020a3d43095900a82ce2652/application/pdf/helix-blog-hybrid-cabs.pdf

Here's another commentary on the original stock cabs taken from the Helix Blog that was unfortunately taken down (sadly). The remarks are from Digital Igloo, I found them quoted on the Gear Page with a link to the blog: Along with its suite of internal speaker cabinet models, Helix also allows you to load high-quality impulse responses from third parties. While this is a fantastic option to have, it’s important to note that the factory speaker cabinets in Helix offer a number of advancements over traditional static third-party impulses. We call the speaker emulations in Helix “hybrid cabs”, because they use a number of proprietary algorithms to reproduce the same frequency and dynamic accuracy typically seen in a 2048-point impulse response, but at far lower DSP usage. Not only that, a hybrid cab allows you to move the microphone from directly on the grill to up to 12 inches away (in .5 inch increments), and accurately captures the proximity effect/bass boost of the microphone in all positions while doing so. All of this detail means that the speaker cabinet reacts just like the real thing, not just sounding better but feeling better under your fingers. Due to the efficiency improvements hybrid cabs offer, it’s actually possible to run up to four speaker cabinets at once in Helix (depending on DSP load), all with different microphones and microphone positions!

I gotta be honest, my nerdy self is in to how they do this stuff. However, not from the common perspective of I have a lollipop with the stock cabs and am arguing for a better way.

Here is another video that goes over some more information (obviously you're never going to get their "secret sauce," just a glimpse at some ingredients). Pertinent part starts at 2:30. Once again, they always refer to it as "cab modelling," but it does clearly start out with a frequency response (which is measured with an IR - I mean - how else are you going to know what the performance is of the device you are trying to model?).

I get that, but I believe they still have to start with an IR to determine how the original cab responds to sound travelling through it. Anyway, check out this original post from the designer of the Helix (Digital Igloo). It gives SOME insight into how the cabs work:

I . . . I am genuinely not sure what you are saying the difference is. At the most basic they are clearly NOT just IRs because you can manipulate them in ways that you can't do with one IR alone. However, I am confidant they still began with impulse responses to determine just how those cabs and mics behaved.