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Any Florescent lights on that weren't on before nearby? Anything power wise that moved or on that wasn't before? New construction next door? Etc etc...

Ummm no, I'm pretty sure it was buttload... :lol:

I sense that having no sense since before I thought about having any sense at all, I'd quit relying on money in general because it makes no sense. A horse is horse, or course of course...

I feel the same way about most guitars (and trees). They are all mostly made outta wood... Isn't there anything else that separates the guitars (and trees)?

Done you mean "Holier than Thou" patches? ;)

Ok, but I don't know Phil....

Since you did nothing to it but change the software for this to happen ( and it was not doing it beforehand), to me that's still a software glitch. And from I read you did everything right to fix it on your end. Hopefully, Line 6 can sort it out for you ( and the rest of us if needed).

It's all about mee EEE EEE, Its all about mee EEE EEE, Its so easy to see what else can it be, its all about me EEE Eeeeeee.....!

1st thing I thought too...

Don't know about the saddest tone, but One is the loneliest number, that you'll ever do...

Did you.... plug into phantom power by accident? Get it too hot? spill beer in it? drop it off the stage? reset it- as in power off and back on? Use it for skid testing? Suba dive with it on? More info would help, please...

So you did the basics, tightened (and cleaned where possible) all connections, changed guitars/cords. rebooted unit, etc etc???

Using the Axe-FX II for reverbs in Helix is a bit overkill, but they (if memory serves) do sound wonderful and if you have both, why not! I'm using a Strymon Big Sky for the same reasons... It sounds better (to me).

I've not read anywhere (and been here a while), where Line 6 didn't help to resolve a problem with Helix. Usually new and still under warranty are dealt with asap. Make a ticket with them and they will help.

A newer approach... Why the Strymon pedals? Because they sound better than what's inside of Helix (to me)... Why the La Grange? Best sounding Plexi stompbox out there to date!

I had no issues updating Helix with El Capitan or Sierra, so I don't think it's the iMacs fault. ;)

I use the Firehawk 1500 exclusively with my Mackie 824's with Helix. Sounds heavenly to me...

Best quote in that whole thing was "If you suck, no amount of fancy gear will help! " LOL ;)

I have an SG as well- and my granddaughter is a degreed artist and so she spiced mine up a bit... :)

I still have my Vetta II combo. I know exactly what you mean and that's why I'm trying to (suggesting to) add long-term worth to the Helix platform. And, if one cares to look, there has been over "25,000" views of this thread. It matters... Oops, I said that last was my last post on this- please forgive LOL! :P :D

Yes, thats why I put "Speculation" in as the first word... ;) I didnt start this "what if", I just responded to it. But the key word you used is very important- "Yet"... And if it doesn't apply the why worry, why comment on it? That's always been an option and no one including me is trying to take that away from you. That said, I've not ever seen so much whining since I suggested the price go up in order to support the extra costs of copy protection (IF NEEDED). You guys hollered like I (once again) stabbed you with a bowie knife. Thats where the Tightwad jab comes into play here, and I hope you can see the connection. ;) Fair enough. But you can't tell me you speak for the majority of the "others" because you don't know them either. I'm just calling what I see but Ok, I'll stop now. I've rubbed folks the wrong way by calling them cheap, and your right, even if true I probably didn't need to call them out on it... OTOH, You do know by turning this into a name calling thing it takes away from the real reason I suggested it in the 1st place, which was to support the Helix platform "long-term". So, I wish you wouldn't do that... We both have wishes, don't we... ;) For example, by saving a buck short term now, we could be hurting the process long term. Speculation (once again) of course but I like hedging my bets. Sorry if I'm overly blunt about all this, but it matters, at least to me. This is my last blurb on this subject (thank GOD huh). When having to spend extra money on anything it tends to rub people the wrong way. I suggested raising the cost "as an option" after I read (here) about people returning the hardware to get the software (and for copy protection costs). To remove the software deal from the Helix hardware would fix that issue, but might cost more. That was and still is my thinking. It is and has always been your option not to agree here, or to purchase anything. Line 6 may indeed just release everything just as they stated, as that's their baby/choice. This "what-if" may all be a moot point- So be it. Flame away and let's see what happens with the release of Native! I hope it works out for everyone. No hard feelings- K?

Speculation- So what you are saying is, if I'm right (fat chance but play along for a moment) and let's say that Line 6 did reconsider the costs due to unforeseen fee's, software protection adds, greed, whatever. Now then, they didn't and wouldn't do this because I said so- so this change is on them. Are you telling me you wouldn't purchase it because they renigged on the original amount? Even if it's a given that they had a change of heart because of unforeseen added costs involved? Ever heard of cost over-runs? This happens all the time. Spring has sprung... And they are being awfully quiet about Native as of late... ;)

I think the nerve is in your wallet... ;) If the shoe fits, and yer right this is humorous to me. No one ever likes it when they are tightwads, being called tightwads LOL. Same goes for everything else I'm guessing. But to me, that's what it looks like. Could be wrong, if so please forgive my bluntness. You see Helix has brought me much joy in its tones, and for that, I don't mind paying to protect it's future worth, if possible. To me, my attempt at playing thru something like Helix is worth more than a few measly bucks if it makes me happy, which it has. I will apologize profusely if Line 6 has all of this handled so that my arguments are a moot point, no matter the intent I have behind it. But if I'm right.... B) and they do change some things, I wonder if you or anyone else will state that here afterward. Ahh no matter, just thinking out loud again... So even if iLok and eLicenser have been cracked, normal folks (even programmers) may not have the tools or information to re-create that "crack" on every piece of different code written. And, any software protection is better than nothing at all these days. Can we at least agree on that?

Ok, lets hear it then? I all ears as Mickey Mouse would say... It might be something we haven't thought of yet... Or they could be in a meeting right now saying what the hell are we gonna do now... :blink: I never stated dongles or other forms of protection were 100% effective. I did say that many major companies used dongles for copy protection because it basically works well for them, or they wouldn't be using them. That's right, software piracy doesn't exist. How silly of me, please forgive... And there's no way people will order the Helix hardware, then buy the software and then return the hardware as stated above (and this was not my idea BTW). Why we are all honest here on this planet... errr... Oh, you meant about the money... Ahh, yea that. Heaven forbid the price gets raised, even for a good (or bad) reason. It's not about the reason thou... Your right about a different perspective as I have one too. I almost forgot there are some that are so tight every time they fart they get a nose bleed... It really doesn't matter why as long as a buck is saved. That's just what exists in their heads... :P Now, aside from us being snippy- I really do hope that Line 6 does well with Native and that it may include software copy protection. I would change the deal with the hardware, as this makes it easy to take advantage of the Helix software via hardware returns (as it stands now). Prices may indeed have to go up and It will make some angry if that happens, but I believe the separation is better in the long run for Line 6. I frankly can't believe you (or anyone else) wouldn't pay a little extra, for the longevity of the Helix program if nothing else. And, Line 6 wouldn't be the 1st ones to reconsider costs. Companies change the prices of things all the time. Stocks go up and down. Stamps and Insurance go up, and never down. Gasoline changes price on a daily basis. If you don't think its right to change dollar amounts, then read my lips, no new taxes. :lol:

And that to me is just another he said she said "global warming" misconception depending on your experiences with amp tone. Helix "OUT OF THE BOX" sounded damn nice to me, and I've had lots and lots of amps/cabs. One thing (there were just a few things) I hated about the Axe FX II was that yes, it could sound great, after 6 months of tweaking. In other words and from my experiences, all modelers are not the same (in every aspect as stated) and should not be lumped in the same pile. Use the EAR for tones and not the Mark 1 eyeball.