baron55 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Except this blows the AX8 out of the water from a feature standpoint. Keep in mind the AX8 is only effects only no amp modeling. A lot of people overlook this.The AX8 is a FX only processor to be run in the loop of a amp. This Helix price point is what you would expect from something like this. So I don't think it is expensive based on what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRSGuy Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Wow looks quite sexy....I am anxious to hear some of the tones / effects Musicians Friend already has pre-order set up with a mid August (8/17) availability... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 L6LINK will work more like the stagesource... but will work with DT amps It has L6 link so does it fully integrate with DT amps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesteel Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Too bad they can't improve what we already have before moving on to something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 End of summer and no bluetooth or wireless on any sort. it's practically got an ipad built into the front of it for editing :) Is there a release date? and will this have bluetooth for editing via Ipad and Android devices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tearitupbaby Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 wow so i can run it thru my dt25 amp like i do with the hd500x? and it can use different power amps in the dt25? If so will the editor for the helix show the dt25 power amp configs to change? thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 L6LINK will work more like the stagesource... but will work with DT amps Does that mean no preamp models? Just the full amp models that can obviously be played through a tube amp if you want to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice9mike Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Using the DT amps in same way as the HD500 is important. I don't want to loose the topology switching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 no... still has pre-amps etc... it's just been simplified.... as in left and right output rather than amp 1-4 and placing them left or right etc. some of it is still being worked out, so can't be a whole lot more specific (as i simply don't know...) Does that mean no preamp models? Just the full amp models that can obviously be played through a tube amp if you want to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbagchee Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 This may be a day one purchase for me. Can't wait to get more details on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 And yet, it still doesn't have two expression pedals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 hahah really? it has connections for other pedals... not everyone wants their board to be huge.... this gives people the option. And yet, it still doesn't have two expression pedals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 What kind of modeling engine is Helix running? Helix utilizes an all new advanced dual-DSP processor architecture we call the HX Modeling Engine. Although a few popular HD effects models have been meticulously converted (and enhanced with more control and nuance), the vast majority have been modeled in Helix from the ground up. Aside from our high-gain favorites Elektrik, Doom, and Epic, which have been rebuilt using the new architecture, all amps and cabs have been created from scratch in HX. Can I load third-party or my own custom IRs (Impulse Responses)? Yes. IRs are loaded into Helix via the Helix Mac/PC software. They will then be available from special IR blocks that can be placed anywhere on your signal paths. Helix can store up to 128 1024 or 2048-point IRs, and a preset can run up to four IRs simultaneously (DSP permitting). Fourteen LCDs… Really? Yes, really. All that feedback makes a huge difference in the heat of the gig, especially when you custom label and/or custom color your switches. It also means we have more feature design flexibility in the future, because functionality isn’t restricted by chassis silkscreen. Where are the tonestack knobs? Under the big LCD. Since Helix can run up to four amps simultaneously (DSP permitting), pressing the AMP button quickly cycles through the tonestacks of any Amp+Cab, Amp, and Preamp blocks in a tone. Where’s the Looper switch? The Looper block is treated like any other effect—It can be placed anywhere on any of the four paths, or even routed to its own output. You can assign it to a footswitch or ignore it completely. Where are the FX Loops? Helix has four sends and returns that can be used separately, used together as an FX loop, or stereo linked. They can also act as additional inputs and outputs for processing keyboards, drum machines, or even other modelers—simultaneously. Can I reamp? Yes. You can reamp two instruments simultaneously. You can even choose which two physical inputs will be sent dry to your DAW. This all sounds pretty deep. Is Helix easy to use? STUPIDLY so. Nearly all day-to-day tonesculpting—from Variax string tuning to deep amp parameters to output routing and everything in between—is accomplished from one unified home screen. Just touch the desired footswitch (they’re capacitve touch) and turn the knobs. There—that’s 90% of your tweaking. Read the included one-page Helix Cheat Sheet and you’ll be a power user before you open the box. More advanced features such as footswitch and controller assignment have shortcuts to get you the results you want at nearly the speed of thought. For example, you can assign your Variax’s tone knob to control delay feedback in roughly three seconds. Want expression pedal 3 to control looper playback level? Three seconds. The mod wheel on your MIDI keyboard to control rotary speaker speed? Three seconds. In many ways, it’s actually faster to tweak from the hardware than it is the editor. Helix also has this cool Pedal Edit mode, which lets you adjust all of your amp and effects parameters without taking your hands off the guitar. How’s the build quality? Helix’s top panel is carved from a solid block of aluminum (like a Macbook Pro you can stomp on) and its side panels and treadle are solid aluminum as well. There’s no metal protection bar because our lead tester kicked the crap out of the metal knobs and they worked flawlessly. (I’m trying to convince Line 6 to upload the video.) What’s the difference between Helix and Helix Rack? Along with the Helix Control remote, Helix Rack’s workflow and feature set is virtually identical to that of Helix. Plus you get duplicate expression pedal jacks, a 1/4†analog bypass (buffered) output, AES/EBU in, and Wordclock in with terminator switch. Presets can be freely shared across both units with no file conversion required. Why is Helix Rack 3 spaces? Couldn’t you have crammed it into 2 spaces? No, but we tried. The color screen is far too large and there are too many ins and outs to fit into 2RU. So how much is it? Helix is $1499. Helix Rack is also $1499. Helix Control is $499. When is Helix available? We’re on track to ship Helix by the end of summer. Helix Rack and Helix Control should ship sometime in the fall. If the same questions keep being asked, I’ll add to this list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice9mike Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Sweetwater pre-order page is up: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Helix Nice product pictures. The power wart is gone. Standard power cable only. That's a great change too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRSGuy Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Wow this is a bold move for Line 6. They are approaching Kemper / Fractal territory...here is hoping the sounds / feel of the unit meet or exceed the marketing hype. The board is beautiful with exceptional features....hopefully it will yet again turn the industry on its head... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 anybody have the dimensions? will it fit the same case as a 500? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellM5 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 As I find out more about this, especially after reading the FAQ, the price is seeming very reasonable. There goes the PRS I was saving up for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 it's substantially bigger front to back than a HD500, although i have no measurements... my guess would be NO. anybody have the dimensions? will it fit the same case as a 500? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbagchee Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Stoked that this has amp switching. I'll be able to everything with one unit now if I'm running 4CM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tearitupbaby Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 wow http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-Helix-Multi-Effects-Guitar-Pedal-111268520-i4318302.gc?CJAID=10432687&CJPID=5691025&CJSID=skim29827X875338Xc50b45b36f494286d7f8d3dd116e1c40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellM5 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Sweetwater pre-order page is up: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Helix Nice product pictures. The power wart is gone. Standard power cable only. That's a great change too. The Sweetwater page for this is awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tearitupbaby Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 more specifics on the use with a dt25/50 would be great as i liked how the hd500x works with the dt25...i just hope the helix editor may show you the various power amps inthe dt25 to work with when the l6 link is used....this was a shortcomming with the hd500x editor...i am a visual person so i would have liked to have a dt editor as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice9mike Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Will the new model packs apply to the Helix or are they already included? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 no, will be it's total own thing.... although all of the HD amps that were in the model packs do have HX models included... so model pack isn't needed anyway. Will the new model packs apply to the Helix or are they already included? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bees_knees22 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm pretty stoked about the new editing features. I've been wanting this for a long time with the POD's. I always found the POD's to be a bit of a nuisance that would get me out of the flow. I hope it's as stupidly simple and easy to use as they say. The less time I have to spend hunting or clicking the better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice9mike Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Back goes the model pack. Thank goodness for the 30 day return policy. Don't worry Line 6, the refund will go towards the purchase of a Helix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 you can even edit with the footswitches standing up... it's nice! and the interface on it is very easy as well.. I'm pretty stoked about the new editing features. I've been wanting this for a long time with the POD's. I always found the POD's to be a bit of a nuisance that would get me out of the flow. I hope it's as stupidly simple and easy to use as they say. The less time I have to spend hunting or clicking the better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 be a few months... :) just making sure you know... Back goes the model pack. Thank goodness for the 30 day return policy. Don't worry Line 6, the refund will go towards the purchase of a Helix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoguyy Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Ya know what ---- I am not going to say a word about that one. I hate people like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Keep in mind the AX8 is only effects only no amp modeling. A lot of people overlook this.The AX8 is a FX only processor to be run in the loop of a amp. This Helix price point is what you would expect from something like this. So I don't think it is expensive based on what it is. The AX8 is something different than the FX8, which is effects only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arislaf Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I WANT IT NOW... I WILL GET IT ASAP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice9mike Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Don't worry pianoguyy, I respect your opinion. I don't hate on anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radatats Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 how is it with Variax acoustics? anything special for acoustic stuff? any new synth effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_Igloo Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 more specifics on the use with a dt25/50 would be great as i liked how the hd500x works with the dt25...i just hope the helix editor may show you the various power amps inthe dt25 to work with when the l6 link is used....this was a shortcomming with the hd500x editor...i am a visual person so i would have liked to have a dt editor as well.. It's important to note that Helix does not behave like HD500X when it comes to L6 LINK communication. It acts much more like HD500X and StageSource; that is, one DT will receive a mono signal and two will split the signal hard left and right. There's no tapping off from various points in the signal, although Helix's flexible routing makes this very easy to accomplish this manually. Unfortunately, at launch, there will also be no automatic topology recall, although if you're willing to hook up a MIDI cable as well, some of this can be accomplished via the Command Center page's Instant commands. Helix's engine is completely different from HD500X's, and much of the functionality of the current DT Dream Rig simply can't apply to the new routing architecture. We're still not sure how deep down the L6 LINK rabbit hole we want to go, so anything's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_Igloo Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 how is it with Variax acoustics? anything special for acoustic stuff? any new synth effects? Helix works great with Variax Acoustic or regular acoustics (either via piezo or mic'ed up—the mic pre sounds great). We have a new crazy 3-oscillator synth that's totally bugnuts. You have to kinda know synthesis to get the most out of it tho'; the thing has 24 parameters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tearitupbaby Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 thank you for the reply.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tboneous Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Helix's engine is completely different from HD500X's, and much of the functionality of the current DT Dream Rig simply can't apply to the new routing architecture. We're still not sure how deep down the L6 LINK rabbit hole we want to go, so anything's possible. ...the "current" DT Dream Rig...? Did you hear that people? Digital_Igloo said that Line 6 is coming out with a New DT series amp that will work with HELIX!!!! NEW DT SERIES AMP IS COMING SOON ACCORDING TO DIGITAL_IGLOO!!!!! You heard it here first!!!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice9mike Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I think a new DT series amp and Variax are inevitable. I would just like to see some backwards compatibility with the existing products. Should I create an Ideal Scale request? It's never too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 always a good idea to throw things on ideascale.... see what happened with all the previous ideas?! :D I think a new DT series amp and Variax are inevitable. I would just like to see some backwards compatibility with the existing products. Should I create an Ideal Scale request? It's never too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tearitupbaby Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 well i will keep my dt25 for use with my hd500x....i mean i can still get the hd500x to sound very very good...if i get the helix i will use both setups i guess...unless the helix just blows the pants off the hd500x....they i will likely sell it with the dt25 as a combo setup to someone..I still use an older vox valvetronix vtx amp and a tonelab se and le and they sound amazing to me...so just because its older doesnt mean its bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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