How Many Persons Rolled Back To A Before Hd Version?

[arislaf]

I read many people went back to 1.9... But how many really?

[arislaf]

Well, I have a Variax 700, so I can run a pre HD and a HD!!

[guitarno]

   I've bounced back and forth, just to check them out and see what the differences are. I've had trouble running the old (Non-HD) workbench, so I've gone back to 2.0, at least for now. There are some models that are a little better pre-HD, but also a lot of improvements in HD. I guess it's a horse apiece for me right now, and unless I can get the old version of workbench running, the older pre-HD models are less usable if I can't adjust them. I probably would have to load an older version of monkey, and/or drivers, but I haven't managed to weed through all that to figure out what I have to do for the older workbench.

 

   Anyway, I'm on HD for what it's worth. I'm new to all of this so I'm not tied into the old models. Some of the older model versions are definitely different, and maybe better (Strats), but I didn't find any that I absolutely had to have. Maybe if I spent more time with them & could adjust them I'd feel different.

[johnnyayyy]

I read many people went back to 1.9... But how many really?

 

 

Nine. The number is nine.

[stevekc]

I rolled back both my JTV-59 and JTV-69 - and cant understand the excitement over HD 2.0 (I cant hear anything in HD 2.0  that I would consider as "improved" over FW1.9) 

 

Im getting MUCH better sounds and usability with FW 1.9, and I can still use my HD-500 and a USB cable (or my Vetta +MIDI cable) to run WorkBench on the road. No need for the flaky one trick pony USB Workbench interface which is the only way to run HD 2.0 Workbench.

[arislaf]

Nine. The number is nine.

:huh:  :blink:  I will not ask how you know that.I will state i am impressed!

[silverhead]

Actually, the number so far is six (or so the poll says).

[jakeman19]

I have my new JTV-69s with HD 2.0 and a Variax 500 with v1.9 but at this point now use the 69 more.  

[robdog03]

I don't care for the HD "mic'd acoustic" models. To me, there's too much room ambience, which makes them sound muddy in a live context.

 

I liked the 2.0 electric models. For whatever reason, I didn't have any problem with the Strat in positions 2 & 4, as some people did.

 

Ideally, I would use the 2.0 electrics with the pre-HD acoustics. Not currently an option, though.

[jdenkevitz]

I've rolled back my 69 to fw 1.9. I have a 59p on the way and will probably give fw2.0 another shot on that one.  

I may roll my 69 back to the pre acoustic HD firmwares as I prefer the more direct sound of those for live use.

[johnnyayyy]

Actually, the number so far is six (or so the poll says).

 

The other three will be along shortly.

[arislaf]

The other three will be along shortly.

Actually they are already 9!!! :huh:

 

............ :P  will i become famous guitarist???!!! :wub:

 

EDITED: seems like I will not, 11 ppl... :'(

Edited September 25, 2013 by arislaf

[glynn_bird]

I rolled back. Here's what I said in another forum post:

 

I love my JTV Variax! I installed v 2.0 update on my JTV-59 and I have found the following:

 

* new Teles sound great, especially like the 2 & 4 versions with humbuckers, which are much better than the useless 2&4 models in 1.9

* Spank models generally thinner sounding and 2&4 not as distinctive as 1.9's 2 & 4

* Semi - much cooler sound.  I much prefer the 1.9 version which has a warm an resonant tone

* all 12 string models - a touch better than 1.9

 

After spending ages adjusting amp settings on my POD HD I concluded that , on balance, I preferred the 1.9 firmware and I reflashed my JTV back to 1.9. It was like coming home! Shame to lose the new Tele, but my guitar sounds louder and better now. Maybe it's because I was used to the 1.9 and the change in 2.0 was too much, but for me the poor quality of the Strat and the Semi were deal breakers for me.

 

There seems to be a lot of superstitious comments in this forum about firmware updates "not taking", but I find it difficult to believe that a digital device can "partially" take a software update. I believe personal preference is in play here and that some people are finding the 2.0 models too thin.

 

Luckily it's very simple to rollback!

[alsithi]

I rolled back, and will wait until they release a fully functional (for me) version before I try again.

 

I found the HD Lester models had lost all the sustain and I don't like having to use the dongle when I've already got my HD500 plugged into the PC. I use my JTV69 for gigging and recording so i want to use the same setup all the time, something not possible with Workbench HD....yet.

[Inerzia]

One good morning, fresh from playing (late night hours are usual for me), I opened L6 forums, and read the long-awaited news that the HD upgrade had arrived.
I opened the monkey, updated my JTV, I played for a few minutes and found that spank 2 position sounded really far from what I needed and I didn't have time to deal with it at that moment, so I rolled back and continued to tour the rest of the week with pre-HD version.

Days later, when I finally came home, I gave  another chance to the HD version, and this time, after comparing several times between the two versions, the HD stayed.

[johnnyayyy]

Actually they are already 9!!! :huh:

 

............ :P  will i become famous guitarist???!!! :wub:

 

EDITED: seems like I will not, 11 ppl... :'(

 

 

Don't forget, there are some here who post and vote with mulitple accounts... :mellow:

 

The number is, was, and shall forever be nine.

 

As for your future fame, the Magick Johnnyayyy Ball says: "Ask again later"

[Geech]

I'm looking forward to the next "who rolled back" poll. 

[pugdealer]

I just rolled back to good old 1.71!!!

I just can not use the acoustics after that...1.71 is just FIIIIIIIIINE and I'll be sticking with it for a looooooooong time....

[broker2]

I rolled back to 1.82 and now my alt. tuning is working fine  cal.

[ajm583]

I rolled back to 1.9 and it is definitely better than 2.0 in my opinion.

[jegler]

I rolled back to 1.9 and my high strings actually sound like they're on the same guitar as the other four strings, so 1.9 it is.

[fredgus]

I updated to HD2.0 shortly after the release.  However, because of busy schedule, did not get a chance to really play with it until last night.  I could not believe how bad a lot of the new models were and thought there was something wrong with the guitar.  Alt tunings sounded bad too.  Was very discouraged...  This morning I checked the forum and found a lot of unsatisfied users on this issue and rolled back to v1.9.  Much better...for now.  When can we look forward to an updated update??

[phil_m]

 When can we look forward to an updated update??

 

 

Uh, a quarter past never... :ph34r:

 

The sounds are what they are. They're not going to be revising them again in the near future. If people don't like them they can certainly stay with the earlier version, or they can try tweaking them in Workbench.

[DavidBurt]

I have the JTV59 and rolled back to 1.9 because I play with my fingers and was getting an intermittent 'clacking sound' when strumming or finger picking on the humbucker models. 

 

I talked about this previously on this site and tried all of the fixes suggested but nothing helped.  Playing with a pick the HD models sound fine - but that's not my style.  I felt like I was playing a totally different guitar. 

 

It was really frustratrating because IMO the Tele 2 and 4 positions and the Lester and Special are much improved on version HD. 

 

When I finally rolled back I fell in love with my guitar again.  I prefer the 1.9 strat (especially positions 2 and 4) and the 335 model sounds more natural and 'woody'.  The old acoustics sound clearer to me also.

 

I guess that all-in-all Line 6 are giving us options based on individual style and preference.  I applaud them for that. 

[clay-man]

Uh, a quarter past never... :ph34r:

 

The sounds are what they are. They're not going to be revising them again in the near future. If people don't like them they can certainly stay with the earlier version, or they can try tweaking them in Workbench.

 

the quack positions on the strat??? Aren't those broken? When are they ever going to fix that? You can't have a broken product and say "It's finished!!!"

[dbaudrate]

I've been reading about everyone that rolled back thinking how picky you all were.   :)   Well, my new JTV69 arrived this afternoon and after inspecting it a little, I upgraded to 2.0.  after 10min of playing it, I rolled it back to 1.9.   Couldn't believe how thin the strat and semi were.  I've been playing a 300, and I think it sounds better....

 

I love the guitar, though!

[1999]

Well ... I rolled back to 1.9 couple of days ago .... overall comparisson - I found most of the models more "distinguishable" from each other ... at least to my ears ... 1.9 contains more "character" of particular models .. more woody..and less bright ... so 1.9 is a keeper for the time being.

 

1999  

[guilhordas]

 

I wonder if 32 of 35 people rolled back, must be because there must be something wrong with the 2.0

[silverhead]

I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but I note that I would expect everyone who responded to this thread to have rolled back, since that's the group of people whom the title of the thread is inviting to respond.

 

Of course, that tells you absolutely nothing about whether there is 'something wrong with the 2.0'. All it tells you is that some people prefer v1.9. I imagine there are far more than 35 people who upgraded. What should we assume about the rest, who won't respond to this thread? We shouldn't assume anything - but if you feel that 32 people mean something's wrong, I guess I would argue that the full number of upgraders (less 32 people) mean something is very, very good about 2.0. Personally, I think 2.0 is much better than 1.9.

[TheRealZap]

32 would be alot if they only ever sold 60 james tyler variaxes....

i'm sure they've more likely sold in the 5 digits (10,000+)

if not into the 6 digits...

and i'm sure that of those.. optimistically 500 participate in the forums...

the other 9,500+ are off rockin (maybe 1.9 unaware of the update, or maybe 2.0 unaware and uncaring of others opinions on the matter)

 

anyway my numbers are no more or less scientific than the 32 number...

but let's try a little perspective...

you like what you like... others like what they like....

by all means come in, compare notes, have a productive conversation amongst like minded folks...

but let's not pretend it's something it's not.... (AKA signs of something wrong)

what it is is a subjective difference of opinion.

rock what you wanna rock.

 

I don't know where you are getting your numbers, but I note that I would expect everyone who responded to this thread to have rolled back, since that's the group of people whom the title of the thread is inviting to respond.

 

Of course, that tells you absolutely nothing about whether there is 'something wrong with the 2.0'. All it tells you is that some people prefer v1.9. I imagine there are far more than 35 people who upgraded. What should we assume about the rest, who won't respond to this thread? We shouldn't assume anything - but if you feel that 32 people mean something's wrong, I guess I would argue that the full number of upgraders (less 32 people) mean something is very, very good about 2.0. Personally, I think 2.0 is much better than 1.9.

[Inerzia]

Change or no change in those conflictive models for the next update, there's something that HAS TO change,
and it's NOT a matter of taste: The string to string volume balance. The 2.0 strat, for example, sounds like the

first two strings were coming from another guitar, not just less volume, but also a different character.

Well, if you don't have this issue, or it doesn't bother you, lucky you, I don't need to hear about it, and I don't 

need to be questioned in terms of taste or hearing sensitivity, or previous experience with certain gear.
I do have this issue, and many others do.

[TheRealZap]

either you have a hardware issue, or an issue with your flash...

i do not have this issue that you speak of... meaning i have a gold plated special JTV or it's not inherent in the firmware... and most likely your update didn't take properly or you have a hardware issue.

others may have the issue, for the same reasons...

i don't consider this a question of your hearing or personal taste....

but from everything i've seen and heard many MORE do not have this issue.

 

 

 

 

Change or no change in those conflictive models for the next update, there's something that HAS TO change,
and it's NOT a matter of taste: The string to string volume balance. The 2.0 strat, for example, sounds like the

first two strings were coming from another guitar, not just less volume, but also a different character.

Well, if you don't have this issue, or it doesn't bother you, lucky you, I don't need to hear about it, and I don't 

need to be questioned in terms of taste or hearing sensitivity, or previous experience with certain gear.
I do have this issue, and many others do.

[alsithi]

Ok let's look at the actual mathematics of this based on available data rather than wild speculation!

 

77 people voted, of which 32 have rolled back. That means that fewer than 60% of JTV users are happy with 2.0. Over 40% are so unhappy they rejected Line6's upgrade. What would be interesting to know is of the 35 who haven't rolled back, how many are actually satisfied with 2.0?

 

The suggestion that only 32 JTV purchasers are unhappy with the upgrade could also be interpreted to say that out af all the 10,000(?) people who bought a JTV only 35 are currently using 2.0!

[phil_m]

the quack positions on the strat??? Aren't those broken? When are they ever going to fix that? You can't have a broken product and say "It's finished!!!"

 

 

No, they're not broken... The issue with them had to with a bug in Workbench. It seems that Workbench was turning off one of the pickups and that people were loading that back onto the guitar. But the stock sounds from positions 2 and 4 are correct.

[TheRealZap]

i like what you're saying as far as wild speculation...

but this is a small sample... not every JTV user came to the forums and voted in some random thread...

it could easily be argued that this thread would draw in primarily those that did rollback...

 

i just accept this thread as an opinion...

it has absolutely no scientific value whatsoever.

just a few guys that like the same guitars, speculating.

all good... but zero science.

 

Ok let's look at the actual mathematics of this based on available data rather than wild speculation!

 

77 people voted, of which 32 have rolled back. That means that fewer than 60% of JTV users are happy with 2.0. Over 40% are so unhappy they rejected Line6's upgrade. What would be interesting to know is of the 35 who haven't rolled back, how many are actually satisfied with 2.0?

 

The suggestion that only 32 JTV purchasers are unhappy with the upgrade could also be interpreted to say that out af all the 10,000(?) people who bought a JTV only 35 are currently using 2.0!

[alsithi]

A couple of years ago I bought a used 300 which sounded great. Last year I got a '69 which sounded even better and was a better made guitar (cost a lot more money of course) and have installed all the updates which sounded better and better, until 2.0 which made some guitars better and some worse, so of course I rolled back to 1.9.

 

We can be (and I have been) as pedantic as we want, but at the end of the day I have a guitar that sounds great, whichever patch version I am using!

[Inerzia]

either you have a hardware issue, or an issue with your flash...

i do not have this issue that you speak of... meaning i have a gold plated special JTV or it's not inherent in the firmware... and most likely your update didn't take properly or you have a hardware issue.

others may have the issue, for the same reasons...

i don't consider this a question of your hearing or personal taste....

but from everything i've seen and heard many MORE do not have this issue.

If some FW versions can be installed without problems for anybody and this one is giving so many people so many problems, I would say it is something inherent in the firmware.

Or are you saying that my guitar, that didn't show signs of any hardware issue so far and has so far accepted every new firmware version is now flawed? Or maybe the update process(es)

that I've succesfully followed before is(are) now flawed? Sometimes the most obvious answer is not the right answer, but most of the times it is. It's the firmware.

As I said, I don't need to hear how some of you are "having the time of your lives and you owe it all to Line6" Go ahead and throw a party.

If this firmware fails to install correctly on so many, otherwise, working JTVs, it's not our fault, and nobody in their right mind should blame us or our guitars or computers for it.

Should I try to install the 2.0 FW for the n-th time? Maybe.

Should I keep my hopes up and expect it to be ok this time? Maybe

But it's still a firmware problem.

[Charlie_Watt]

The 2.0 install works for most of us.  I can't say why it doesn't for some.  IT's not broken since it works for most.  The issue here is whether you like the models better than previous versions or not.  That is a mater of taste.  They are different for sure so some folks like some of the old ones better.

[phil_m]

As I said, I don't need to hear how some of you are "having the time of your lives and you owe it all to Line6" Go ahead and throw a party.

If this firmware fails to install correctly on so many, otherwise, working JTVs, it's not our fault, and nobody in their right mind should blame us or our guitars or computers for it.

Should I try to install the 2.0 FW for the n-th time? Maybe.

Should I keep my hopes up and expect it to be ok this time? Maybe

But it's still a firmware problem.

 

I don't think anyone is blaming you... But it could very well be an issue with your JTV, computer, or something else in the chain. The thing is it's a complex issue with lots of things that can go wrong.

 

I guess I don't understand why you'd insist "it's a firmware problem" if Line 6 says it isn't. I would think that if there were something inherent in the firmware that was causing problems on some JTVs they'd admit to it. They wouldn't really have a good reason not to.

[TheRealZap]

i've seen updates... especially ones that push the technical limitations of hardware... expose hardware that was not precise in the acceptable tolerances... 
there is a big difference in this particular update... 

never said it was your fault... in fact i'm clearly attributing it to either hardware or a bad flash....

i'm not even doubting you... or questioning your experience...

i'm questioning your conclusions that it's widespread and affects all...  because in my experience it does not affect me... therefore.. all is incorrect.

i don't think that my JTV is special... just middle of the road...

so there's something else... and i'm trying to help figure out what that something else is.

have you opened a ticket?

if its as widespread or common as you suggest they may have some experiences that will help you or perhaps a limited recall or warranty fix?