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You attached a setlist. Presets are .hlx
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After returning to 3.11 and following ALL of the instructions, if you still have the problem, attach your actual presets (not recordings) after switching from IRs (if thats what you're using) to stock cabs. Also, what's your playback system, and which Helix model are you using?
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Helix FX refers to the Helix FX in your preset. And where does the signal go AFTER it returns to Helix from the attenuator? Also, Attach a copy of your preset (not a screenshot) so I can see what's happening.
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Wish you'd gotten back sooner. I don't normally use LIVE, and I've forgotten how I got the Preset Changes to record. Attached is a LIVE configuration screenshot and a demo preset. This will at least allow you to record CCs to toggle FX and Snapshots. Stomp 1 selects Snapshot 2; Stomp 2 Selects Snapshot 1; Stomp 3 toggles the Delay. You want to change presets you'll have to read the LIVE manual, or ask on their forum. Test LIVE UI.hlx
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Your signal chain is: Guitar>Helix Guitar In>Helix FX>Helix FX Send 1> Amp Input>Amp Speaker Out>Attenuator>Helix Return 1>??? >Speaker What is the make and model of your amp and attenuator?
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Hx Stomp: Using the 4 cable method (?) but keeping the real amp
rd2rk replied to fasteddiesanchez's topic in Helix
You need INTRUMENT level on the Left Send>OD>Amp Input. The Amp Send>HXS Return can be either INSTRUMENT or LINE. Don't over think that. Don't waste a loop. It's just signal level. You can use the FX Loop Send/Return Levels to compensate, if necessary, for not being able to set them differently. -
Hx Stomp: Using the 4 cable method (?) but keeping the real amp
rd2rk replied to fasteddiesanchez's topic in Helix
What you've described will work fine. Just add a send block at the end of the chain and use that to the amp instead of the normal 4cm method of using the 1/4" out. Guitar -> hx stomp input -> hx stomp compressor -> hx stomp Phaser ->[hx stomp Left effects loop send - set to instrument level] (to two distortion pedals in series) -> input to the real amp [hx stomp effects loop return set to line level]-> hxstomp chorus -> hx stomp delay -> hx stomp reverb -> [HX Stomp Right Send - Line Level to Amp Return] ->L/R out to PA. EDIT: Guitar -> hx stomp input -> hx stomp compressor -> hx stomp Phaser ->[hx stomp Left effects loop send - set to instrument level] (to two distortion pedals in series) -> input to the real amp [hx stomp effects loop return set to line level]-> hxstomp chorus -> hx stomp delay -> hx stomp reverb -> [HX Stomp Right Send - Line Level to Amp Return] -> HX Stomp IR/Cab ->L/R out to PA. -
Balancing overall output volume between presets/snapshots has always been an issue with modelers. Once you've got your presets/snapshots balanced, if you're using PC212 as I described, consider these ideas: When I need a CLEAN lead boost, I assign either a stomp or a snapshot to the Output Block level, with a 4db boost (YMMV). That way, you don't affect the gain staging of the preset. During sound check, use your boosted level, and explain to FOH that you're doing so, and that will be your highest level, so when you're playing rhythm, he should not turn up the channel gain to compensate.
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One additional thought on using the PC212. If you use the XLRs from the PC212 to FOH, you can disable the BIG KNOB on the Helix and use an expression pedal set to send CC#7 to control the output level of the physical PC212 (stage level), while the XLRs to FOH send a consistent UNITY level signal to FOH. That allows you to use the IRs on the PC212, and control your stage level separately from the FOH level. Saves the DSP on Helix, and is another way to make the FOH engineer happy. EDIT: Also, if you use snapshots, you want to be careful using them to change Gain and Channel Level (keep them balanced), as this would change the level received at the PC212 input, which will also change the level at the XLRs to FOH.
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Depends how complex your signal chains are. If you put as much as possible in Path 1 and use the PC212 for your IRs, send the Path 1 Output to Path 2, then split Path 2 with stereo blocks on the digital out path and identical Mono Blocks and IR on the XLR path, that could work. I'm on my way out to dinner, but if you'd like, I'll put together a sample preset for you tomorrow.
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Helix amps are Mono. Unless you're using split paths and dual amps with careful panning, there's no point in using stereo FX before the amp, as the signal will be combined to mono. After the (single) amp, stereo FX will pan from left to right. Leaving the Output block centered will ensure that the same level goes to each side. Using L6 Link automatically sends stereo to the PC212. Using the L/Mono Out on either the Helix or PC212 collapses the signal to Mono. DSP availability is not affected by your choice of Outputs. Speaker mode is a function of the PC212, and is not available using Helix alone. When you use the Powercab settings in Helix, you're simply telling the Powercab what to do, and saving those settings to the Helix preset for transmission to the Powercab when the preset or snapshot is loaded. Without a Powercab those settings are meaningless. In SPEAKER mode, Powercab turns OFF the HF Driver (doesn't really work, see my MIDI notes), and sends an EQ to the raw speaker that emulates the chosen speaker (maybe, which is why users say that SPEAKER mode sucks). An IR, on the other hand, is a "recording" of a speaker cabinet/speaker combination's sound at all frequencies. That's probably not the best description, but it's the essence of what an IR does. There are 2 ways to ensure that you get the same (or similar) sounds with or without the Powercab. One is to always use IRs loaded on the Helix. The other is to make two presets, one for Powercab and one for FOH only, and deal with the reality that they won't sound exactly alike. In SPEAKER mode, what you hear from the Powercab is the actual physical speaker with emulation EQ. When you take the XLRs to FOH from the Powercab, what you're you're hearing at FOH is an EQ of the physical speaker with the added EQ of the emulation plus an additional EQ for the chosen mic. The mic can be selected from Helix, in HX Edit, or from Powercab Edit. It does not in any way affect the sound you hear from the Powercab itself, only the signal out of the XLRs to FOH. Correct, when using L6 Link. Global EQ is intended as a method of compensating for room differences at different venues when using Helix to send to FOH/FRFR monitors. When performing at a venue with a proper sound system and talented sound engineer, that's his job, not yours. Regardless of what you send him, he'll make it sound best to his ears. Best Practice is to send him your stage signal and let him do his job. A happy FOH engineer is ALWAYS a good thing! Many users have requested that Global EQ be available on the digital outs also. Do a search on Ideascale and vote for it.
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Further to my remarks concerning using MIDI to control the HF Driver, and in response to your question about hi/lo cuts. Just as, in SPEAKER mode you can feather in the HF Driver to add a little life to a dull sounding SPEAKER emulation, you can also use it to tame the "fizz" of an IR, which is what people generally use hi cuts for. The problem with hi cuts is that it can take the "sparkle" out of a clean preset, or make a hi-gain preset sound dull and lifeless. By using MIDI to CUT BACK the amount of HF Driver, you can take out some "fizz" without changing the basic tone of the preset. When adjusting the amount of HF Driver, you use CC#5 with a Value of between 0 (HF Driver OFF) and 113 (HF Driver at 0db, the default FRFR setting). Increasing the Value from 0 adds life to a dull sounding SPEAKER emulation. Decreasing it from 113 reduces the "fizz" in an IR.
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That's the level you want for re-amping. It leaves headroom for overtones/harmonics/dynamics. The closer you get to 0db the more likely that you'll get digital distortion, not desirable.
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More or less in order: Helix will sound much better than the HD (I had one). You can do W/D with a PC212, panned hard L/R, but from 6 feet away it's just a mix. W/D can sound cool when you're practicing by yourself at home. On stage with a band it's lost in the mix. The main advantage of the stereo aspect of the PC212 is adding motion to the overall sound using stereo chorus, flanger and the like. Reverbs sound bigger. Bottom line (IMO) is that W/D is overrated, of limited affect in a band setting, the audience won't hear it, and it's a time wasting rabbit hole when creating presets. You can have the same IRs on both Helix and the PC212. Using them on the Helix allows you to place effects AFTER the speaker, like an engineer would do in a studio. Using IRs on the PC212 is more like what you'd get ITRW, with amp and effects BEFORE the actual speaker. It also allows you to spare DSP for more FX in the signal chain. In either case, in FRFR mode, the PC212 is just a monitor. Using SPEAKER mode is more like having an actual amp on stage. In neither case is there any advantage to mic'ing the PC212, which is actually a disadvantage in that the mic picks up the ambient stage sounds. The only possible advantage to running the Helix XLRs to FOH is that you can add Global EQ to that signal, but really, that's the job of the FOH tech. In FRFR mode, taking the XLRs from the PC212 to FOH, the FOH sound will depend on the FOH system. If it's a very flat system run by a good tech, in a good room, the sound will be very close. In SPEAKER mode, in addition to not being the sound of the actual speaker (just an EQ), the sound sent from the PC212 will be further modified by the addition of a mic emulation, making it essentially the same as using IRs in FRFR mode. The only advantage to using SPEAKER mode would be if you LIKE the sound of SPEAKER mode in your stage monitor. The general consensus, both here and over on the TGP Helix/POWERCAB threads, is that SPEAKER mode sucks. However, everybody's ears are different, there's no substitute for trying it both ways, just opinions. Personally, I find that some things sound good with SPEAKER mode, some better with IRs. It's just another of the many Tone Tools available in the Helix/Powercab ecosystem. Helpful, right? NOTE: if you're considering trying out SPEAKER mode, see my comments in the Powercab Forum on using MIDI to ensure that the HF Driver is OFF, or pleasantly blended. Always use the L6 Link to bring your signal to the PC212, as it eliminates an unnecessary DA/AD conversion, reducing latency and possibly lowering the S/N ratio. If you're using IRs on Helix in some presets, and IRs on the PC212 in others, it allows you to save those settings with the preset. Note that, at this point in time, you cannot use Global EQ on the digital outs. This may change in future updates. Lastly, the choice of using preamps or full amps is mostly another thing that only YOUR ears can decide. There's a modeled interaction between the preamp and poweramp that may or may not affect the "feel" of playing, and there are additional parameters available in the power amp that are not available on the preamp. Did I miss anything?
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Have you added your support ticket to the queue? Maybe if we bury them in support tickets we'll get some attention to the issue.
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Try the Analog Echo in the Legacy Effects category.
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Also need your computer info - processor, memory, OS
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What DAW are you using?
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You'll want to pan one path hard left and the other hard right, or some mix. Whether or not it would be beneficial, only you can judge. Try it!
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Just an afterthought, but to be sure it's not a faulty Helix, make sure your Helix FW AND HX Edit are on v3.11, and maybe re-flash the FW for good measure.
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OK, wtfuzz dl'd, and it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do, sending USB 1/2 to the output assigned in Global Settings>Ins/Outs>USB 1/2 Destination. If you have it set to MULTI, it goes EVERYWHERE EXCEPT USB 1/2. However, it does not (and is not) go(ing) to the Inputs. That patch has Path 1 Out set to Send 1/2 and Path 2 Out set to USB 1/2. I have the 1/4" on my Helix connected to a tube amp return and L6 Link connected to my PC212+, which outputs (via XLR) to a mixer. XLRs on Helix are not connected. If I change the USB 1/2 Destination in Global Settings to XLR, I hear playback in headphones. If I change it to 1/4" it plays back through the amp, and Multi plays back everywhere (except USB 1/2). If I change Input Block source to NONE or any unused input, it has no effect on the signal. No effect added to either path affects the signal. That means that the signal is going to the outputs directly, not through the signal path! Conclusion: The patch works as expected. Review the above and, hate to say it but, RTM. When I first got my Helix, the manual was very confusing, and I had to read it multiple times and try all sorts of experiments before I figured it out. It's a lot like plumbing, which I suck at. FWIW - Multi Band 4 twd.hlx failed the same way that the first DL of wtfuzz did, with a message that the link was trying to DL multiple files. The second attempt at wtfuzz worked, but didn't DL the patch name. IDK what's up, but you might want to run a malware check. Just sayin'.....
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Try uploading your patch again so I can look at it. USB audio goes directly to the outputs, bypassing the signal chain.
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Sounds like a bad connector, could be either the HXS or the PSU connector. If you got it at a store, take it back and try another PSU. All the Helix and HX devices have the same FX. Check to see that you have the latest FW (3.11) AND HX Edit (3.11). I'd say to do the usual factory reset and re-flash the FW, but with the PSU problem, that could be a problem if it decided to glitch during the process.