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I got this yesterday and turned the channel volumes on my helix, made sure the input wasn't padded and turned the powercab up to half volume... and it was about as loud as my solid state 10watt practice amp on full volume. Turned it up all the way and it was only just loud enough to hang with a soft hitting drummer. If I increase the output on the Helix by 15db (max) it might just be loud enough but then I'm running EVERYTHING on max all the time and there's nowhere else to go. Anyone else experienced this? It sounds great (if a little dark/muffled) but It just isn't loud enough and that's a huge problem for me. Am I doing something wrong here?

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Yes, most likely you're missing something or something isn't right. Do you have the output on the Helix set to line level?

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9 minutes ago, phil_m said:

Yes, most likely you're missing something or something isn't right. Do you have the output on the Helix set to line level?

Yes. Next thing I guess I'll try an XLR instead of Jack lead - could that help?

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3 minutes ago, naylor_novelis said:

Yes. Next thing I guess I'll try an XLR instead of Jack lead - could that help?

 

It shouldn't really make a difference. What color is the clipping indicator on the Powercab?

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It's solid green and VERY occasionally flickers orange for a millisecond. Do I have enough headroom to increase the output level? Thanks for your help by the way!

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5 minutes ago, naylor_novelis said:

It's solid green and VERY occasionally flickers orange for a millisecond. Do I have enough headroom to increase the output level? Thanks for your help by the way!

 

Maybe a little bit more... It might be your patches are a little low overall, I don't know. There's no preamp in the Powercab, so all preamp gain has to come from the Helix. I'be just read so many other reviews where people say it's plenty loud, that I don't know. Line 6 recommends maxing out the volume from the modeler and controlling the volume on the PC with its master volume knob.

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I had to turn power cab volume about 80-90% up with Helix volume little over half way up fora jam session.  Connected via L6 link.

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I noticed that too and found that I had to increase the levels of the paths on the Helix and also, sometimes, the levels of the amps too.  You might want to look at the block volume levels too.  I found that when I turn the paths up to around 2 to 5 and the main volume knob of the Helix to around 11 and the Powercab to around 11 as well, it's gets pretty loud without clipping.   Also, on the Powercab, you might need to turn of the level for each speaker model.   Some speakers are quieter or louder than others, that I have noticed,

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So - where I'm at is:  I use the input pad on the Helix all the time.  On most amp models, I have to hit the upper range of the channel volume (amp setup for clean or edge of breakup gain) to get it to occasionally light up orange (lead/solo volume) and not distort on a low, open E power chord.  So when I set up my patch I get the output going until it distorts and then back it off about .5 on the channel volume to give myself some headroom.  The last gig I played I got the Powercab volume up to about 3 o'clock for the gig.  We are not a loud band but - I wouldn't have run it that loud if the amps had been going to the mains (which they were not).  I find the angle of the Powercab is really good - and I can get good monitoring volume without being crazy loud onstage.

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I turned mine up to around 11:30/12 and with output for each path on the Helix around +5 at most, it is pretty loud.   What I found that helps is duplicating one path to the other.  Also, on some, I've added and EQ or boost to the path and upped the level on it.   With all that, the Powercab still doesn't hit the yellow.  

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I’ve had this issue too playing a couple gigs with it. First gig i had the volume on the amp at about 3/4 to full volume and just not cutting it with my band...2nd set i cranked it all the way and about 1 oclock on the helix....couldnt seem to go much more with the helix before clipping....so i got loud enough but i really dont like not having head room to spare. 2nd gig i started using irs in place of the helix cab models and had much better luck but im finding i just dont like the sound of the powercab....this weekend i set my stagesource l2t next to the powercab and wow did i love the sound of the stagesource way better....and loud....no problem getting volume. So I have to say im not impressed with the powercab so far..either going to return it or it will become my practice amp unless i can figure out what is going on. Bear in mind im only a month into using the helix and still learning

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Just got one of these today and had the same issue. I've maybe played it 20 min but I started playing around with the deeper settings on the powercab and found that mine was set to a -32db setting on most speaker settings (including the full-range). This increased the output significantly! Not sure if this is a common global setting (mine was purchased scratch/dent so maybe someone had messed with the settings).

I'm using an old-school HD500x but I was able to get VERY loud and, while I did have to turn the master volume past the 50% that I usually run it at, 75% was VERY loud.

When I get a bit more into the unit I'll post my findings.

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I am doing the same thing with mine. I am thinking of buying a second one to run stereo though

 

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I just purchased a Powercab 112 plus this week because I really prefer the power amp/speaker combination with my modelers.  I was also intrigued with the features of the Powercab but the volume was a deal breaker for me.  I play in a band with a loud drummer and this amp would not cut it, unfortunately.  Had to send it back.

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besull926 - mine is plenty loud, after i upped the levels on the output of the amp blocks, eq block and the output, then, of course the main volume.  i usually can't turn my helix main volume past 9 o'clock.  my powercab is around 10 o'clock.  when i turn my helix past 9 or 10, it's extremely loud. 

 

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 Had a similar issue, Set your Helix Digital Out on Global settings to +10db, I'm using it with an XLr cable to the AES socket mega loud now

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On 6/22/2018 at 11:39 PM, bryanrensema said:

Just got one of these today and had the same issue. I've maybe played it 20 min but I started playing around with the deeper settings on the powercab and found that mine was set to a -32db setting on most speaker settings (including the full-range). This increased the output significantly! Not sure if this is a common global setting (mine was purchased scratch/dent so maybe someone had messed with the settings).

I'm using an old-school HD500x but I was able to get VERY loud and, while I did have to turn the master volume past the 50% that I usually run it at, 75% was VERY loud.

When I get a bit more into the unit I'll post my findings.

I noticed the -32db too, should it be 0? Is there a way to set to factory defaults?

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On 11/18/2018 at 8:14 AM, mikeyg00 said:

I noticed the -32db too, should it be 0? Is there a way to set to factory defaults?

 

You can't change the factory defaults, but simply raise the level there and re-save the preset.

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I've got my preamp maxed so to get the claimed 125 dB in Line 6 cab ....  I'm not sure where I go for that additional volume.  I'm sure the attorneys are involved in setting the default so low so that no one's hearing gets damaged and they get sued

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There are two settings to program to max the db.

in the general parameters (house icon) you can choose the db per input.

Following your cab model preset, click on the main big button and choose the db level.....

(I'm talkingabout the plus version)

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So.... ^^^^^ what he said!  In the global section there is input 1 and 2. There set from factory at lowest dB.  Bring those up to at least 0 or higher. I run +4 or more if you need it.   Then each cab preset  you pick has its own level on the powrpercab plus.  I bring this up pretty high also.  My gig volume is great. I’m only half way up on Powercab master volume. I do agree with poster on this forum,  line 6 should of made this 500w.  There should be no reason helix owners should have to max out all there preset volumes etc. to get gig band volume blend.

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Just got my PC +, was having the "volume issue"...until I set the output of the HX Stomp to "line"..problem solved..plenty loud now..the volume controls on the amp models in Helix act as the real thing, you have to find the "sweet spot" on the master volume.

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Just as an addendum to this thread - I tried all sorts of things to get it to be loud enough but in the end I was runnng everything maxed out all the time (using the regular Powercab, not the Plus version) - I was also getting some nasty clipping sounds that were ruining my experience. This is with a moderately loud rock covers band.

The Powercab just wasn't loud enough so I ended up selling everything and getting a Kemper powerhead (600w) with a Matrix FR212 cab and I hardly ever have it above 10-15% volume. It's a real shame as the Helix/Powercab sounded great but for me it just couldn't cut it in a live band scenario.

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On 6/22/2018 at 8:39 PM, bryanrensema said:

Just got one of these today and had the same issue. I've maybe played it 20 min but I started playing around with the deeper settings on the powercab and found that mine was set to a -32db setting on most speaker settings (including the full-range). This increased the output significantly! Not sure if this is a common global setting (mine was purchased scratch/dent so maybe someone had messed with the settings).

I'm using an old-school HD500x but I was able to get VERY loud and, while I did have to turn the master volume past the 50% that I usually run it at, 75% was VERY loud.

When I get a bit more into the unit I'll post my findings.

 

On 11/19/2018 at 6:38 AM, phil_m said:

 

You can't change the factory defaults, but simply raise the level there and re-save the preset.

 

 

I wonder, it the none plus version is set to these low levels.   because i have to pin all the knobs and get the input to almost red all the time to even be heard.. and when i play on my own its not very loud.

 

for a 250 watt amplifier, it sure is quiet...

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For my studio, the PC+ pair is loud enough. I'm going more for "tone" than volume and not in a band setting.

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Hopefully this will help someone else. I’ve had the same thoughts of it the powercab not being that loud, even for home use. 

 

Im using a HX stomp and regular powercab. Output set to line level

 

I’ve just adjusted the Stomps Vol knob settings so it only effects headphones, (Global settings - Ins/Outs - volume controls) I’m now getting unity from the helix and the powercabs volume knob is right down rather than always needing to be so high (even at home). I’ve had to play with all of my patches via the master and Ch Vol in the amp blocks, but it makes much more sense now and works better for me. Muuuuuch louder too :)

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