Lachdanan0121

Do you happen to have a second signal chain where the guitar also goes through it that is dry that could only be routed to the headphones? If so it could be mixing in with the slight delayed signal of having the other signal chain having an FX block on it period. (and the main signal chain is the only one being sent to logic? Are you sure you're not recording the dry track into Logic? Guitar defaults to USB7, VOX defaults to USB8. I'd double check these to things if I were in your shoes.

Could end up with a bundle with Helix Native, with an interface similar to the quality of the Helix somewhere down the road. Sort of like they do with their cheaper interfaces, and Pod Farm. Though still would not fix the latency issue.

Yep that is my intent. Helix Rack will be my Wet monitor, and dry recording tool. Also I will load one of the rhythm guitars up on the unit when ReAmping, and one in the Helix Native, just to spread my resources more efficiently, and be able to effectively dial in complex (full signal chained) tones for both guitars simultaneously. IMO there has never been a better time to be a guitarist. Unless of course your reason for guitar is to get chicks, that peaked in the 80's lol.

I choose to run my XLR out at mic level as well, for my studio monitors (Event BAS 20/20) are loud as hell. Even with the monitors turned to their lowest value, and XLR out at MIC level, I can only turn the helix master vol up to about 11 o'clock. NOON is basically unbearable. I agree the Mic level doesn't seem that much lower than the Line level. Though I will be fair to state that Gain-staging is something I am still quite novice with, like Compression, and side chaining.

yep, although if we are using the Helix as an audio interface, then the sound should be 100% identical right DI?

I get what you are saying, and it is healthy to be skeptical. The helix is only a computer itself. Albeit a specialized one (running software on it). In theory if your pc is decent (and especially if Helix Native has decent multi-threading support) Then your PC is more than enough to handle at least 1 instance of it, along with your physical helix handling a separate instance on it. The Audio Interface will have impact, unless of course your using the Helix for that too. Which I am. I fully expect to hear no difference between Helix Native, and my Helix Rack. They are using the exact same a/d/a converters. If there is a difference I will be quite disappointed myself. But DI has assured, and if faith isn't good enough, (if your like me :) ) then go by track record. The Helix line up is unified, (is so far) Pod x3 & Pod Farm sounded the same, and that was back then. I am sure you will get your answer in your free trial. Please report back here in the forums if it is to your expectation, or to your satisfaction.

I really like the Helix for everything from clean play -to- rock tones (as most of the songs I have worked on since I got the unit have been of this nature) The metal tones I have been satisfied with (even pleased) until just a few moments ago. (once I have had a little more time with it in that context) I am ReAmping some guitars from an older track which is a metal track using a baritone 7-string tuned to G-standard. I decided I would load up a blank patch in Helix and craft me a tone. 15 minutes later I have arrived at one of the best guitar tones I have used period. Nothing too fancy. 808 - Archtype Lead - Cali Q - split path using 2 HX cabs - merge before going into some room reverb. Its the absolutely best high gain rhythm tone I have ever dialed in, and done so in 15 minutes with a blank patch using the front panel interface of the Helix Rack. (I didn't even use the editor, or IRs) The more time I spend with the Helix platform, the more impressed I get with it. It really is a great platform that keeps expanding. Keep at it Line 6! So I would say my 2 fav amps are the. 1. Archtype Lead 2. Matchstick jumped. Line 6 really made some stellar sounds here.

As a recording guitarist... I don't know of a guitar platform that is more geared towards a recording platform. 8in8 out simultaneously over USB, that is definitely a recording platform. It just happens to be a great performance platform as well.

A mischievous tuner. One that can be ultra accurate but some times it chooses to display 3 and a half notes off just to mess with Spikey. Lol

This is a good question. I would like to be able to use any VST I want in the FX loop of Native Helix. That would allow for the ultimate flexibility for ReAmping guitar chains.

For most of my recordings/ReAmping I use separate reverb plugins. DI did state HX reverbs are coming at some point. But even then I will largely use my plugins for final guitar recordings. Unless the HX reverbs are really that much better, then I would use them more. However for my wet monitoring while recording, and practice/jamming higher quality reverbs are certainly looked forward to with Helix.

In the other two threads I outlined a few different reasons why this is great for recording guitarists, and producers. The sound looks like it will be identical. Line 6 has stated their mission on consistency of tone between different versions if the Helix platforms. There will be phase cancellation tests to verify once released to ease (or validate) any worries in that department, which we all could do easy enough. This easily doubles the ReAmping simultaneously ability. Streamlines, and makes considerably more efficient automation of parameters in real time. More producers will be dialing patches in the context of full mixes, and the presets will be transferable to the Helix Hardware, and back. Also provides excellent back up solutions for recording guitarists who didnt give up their old interface. I still have my 11R just in case. As a recording guitarist / composer / producer... I would be stupid to pass this up for $99.

I think that is exactly what they are aiming for. They even state the patches are interchangeable between the plugin, and the hardware units. But don't think this Plugin isn't going to suck some CPU down especially with complex patches. I just hope they coded it well for multi-threading.

I will just copy and paste my post from the other threat into this about it, sorry I didn't see this thread until after I posted: FANTASTIC! At first I thought wow I won't have as much use for my Helix Rack, as I do not tour. Then I got to thinking of the possibilities. AS it is with the hardware alone, I can ReAmp 2 guitars (1Left, 1 Right) with medium signal chains, and half the processing power for each chain. With the Hardware and the plugin, I can route the left guitar to the hardware, using all of its processing power with all of its signal chains. Send the right guitar to the plugin, and use all of its signal chains. Simultaneously!!! I can automate much easier, more efficient, and with less errors (pops and crackles) with the VST. I can do this with the hardware, but I need to chop my takes that I ReAmp up so they are shorter, and often have to try a few times to get it without any audio artifacts (pops and crackle). This should pose no issue with the VST end of things. So for heavy automation I will use the plugin. But for straight tone recording of a single guitar or something like that... I will use the Helix rack, as it will free up the cpu power I can spread to other plugins. The hardware will always be my wet monitor, and dry recording device. the Hardware Helix will always be lower latency than the Helix Native. Also this allows me even more so to use my 11R as a back up and still get the great Helix tones if something were to happen to my Helix unit and I needed to have it sent in. Transferring presets back and forth will be great. Here is another "not often talked about aspect." We like the presets that some good guitarists around here dial in. But what about experienced producers? Now that Helix Native is a reality, the number of producers making guitar presets on the Helix platform will drastically improve. You will see a lot more presets with the guitar tone in the context of full mixes! $399 would be robbery for the established Helix user base. $99 for Helix users is a great deal though. I for one will be picking it up shortly after its release, unless its like in the next couple weeks, lol I would like the opportunity to be able to spend the $99 and not even worry bout it. Still reeling from the holidays lol. For $99 this is a great expansion of the Helix platform for studio users. None of the competition really offers this!

FANTASTIC! At first I thought wow I won't have as much use for my Helix Rack, as I do not tour. Then I got to thinking of the possibilities. AS it is with the hardware alone, I can ReAmp 2 guitars (1Left, 1 Right) with medium signal chains, and half the processing power for each chain. With the Hardware and the plugin, I can route the left guitar to the hardware, using all of its processing power with all of its signal chains. Send the right guitar to the plugin, and use all of its signal chains. Simultaneously!!! I can automate much easier, more efficient, and with less errors (pops and crackles) with the VST. I can do this with the hardware, but I need to chop my takes that I ReAmp up so they are shorter, and often have to try a few times to get it without any audio artifacts (pops and crackle). This should pose no issue with the VST end of things. So for heavy automation I will use the plugin. But for straight tone recording of a single guitar or something like that... I will use the Helix rack, as it will free up the cpu power I can spread to other plugins. The hardware will always be my wet monitor, and dry recording device. the Hardware Helix will always be lower latency than the Helix Native. Also this allows me even more so to use my 11R as a back up and still get the great Helix tones if something were to happen to my Helix unit and I needed to have it sent in. Transferring presets back and forth will be great. Here is another "not often talked about aspect." We like the presets that some good guitarists around here dial in. But what about experienced producers? Now that Helix Native is a reality, the number of producers making guitar presets on the Helix platform will drastically improved. You will see a lot more presets with the guitar tone in the context of full mixes! $399 would be robbery for the established Helix user base. $99 for Helix users is a great deal though. I for one will be picking it up shortly after its release, unless its like in the next couple weeks, lol I would like the opportunity to be able to spend the $99 and not even worry bout it. Still reeling from the holidays lol. For $99 this is a great expansion of the Helix platform for studio users. None of the competition really offers this!

Well, one of the things I thought the Helix was lacking in options for was the Bass Guitar. With FW 2.20 that will no longer be the case! As a studio musician (and producer), I work with many instruments, (most virtual) and while I do not own a bass guitar, I do have some rather nice bass guitar sampler plugins from Ample Sound. They are all dry tracked, and this will give me more avenues of shaping, and fine tuning my bass guitar tones. Its also rather nice the one guitar amp model in the list is a new line 6 high gain original. That is what I was wanting other than maybe the Bogner XTC. More Helix Cabs, and IR pack. I was expecting a big FW update for Helix, but I wasn't expecting it in February, I was expecting it more like late March, perhaps early April. I am happy to see that Line 6 is still so passionately invested in the Helix platform. Good Show Line 6!

yea sure all of that lol. No it was just Milage Does Vary.

Obviously MDV. If I was stuck with that island decision, I'd bite a bullet, and thats ok too.

Maybe try the update again. Maybe something went wrong in the process. If you update, and it happens again that is just more reassurance for you. If it doesn't happen again... That means some rethinking is in order.

Everyone enjoy your chosen celebration of Winter Solstice.

Irs typically in this case do not have FX built in. It focuses on the cabinet. So its cab + speakers + mic(s) and there placement + sometimes coloring of the space it is recorded in. It is a convolution process. There are also IRs that are strictly high quality reverbs, but Helix doesn't do those. Not sure on dsp load with bypass.

All went well?

Umm since it hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet. What about your guitar PAD settings? It defaults to off after an update. I usually have mine turned on. Maybe this is feeding a hotter signal to your Helix, and thus is reducing the dynamics of its sound. Check your Guitar PAD input for $h8%s and giggles. Turn it on and see if it gets you closer to the sound you want. I like to have my XLR outs at Mic level, not line Level, because I prefer the lower volume signal going to my Studio Monitors as those monitors are very loud. IT defaults to Line after every update. Global EQ is a great thing to check, but it isn't the only thing that gets reverted to default on a new FW update.

Thanks Roscoe. I typically like to place one of the EQs in my signal chain between the amp, and cab. However, your post gives me some ideas on where to try the cuts and boosts.

Agreed. Thats why I suggested a permanent stickied thread at the top of the Helix forum for non FRFR. Gives the op what he wants and doesnt divide the forums. EDIT: I feel I must clarify I'm not invested one way or the other, I was just providing a sort of middle ground solution.