FRFR speaker !!!

[leadplayer420]

On 4/25/2018 at 9:38 AM, roscoe5 said:

Back to the Mashall amp nastiness...

 

While I dont use it normally, I have tried Helix with my Mesa Stiletto (Marshall clone) when I was experimenting.  It is certainly harsh with Helix, especially with my Mesa Black Shadow open back 112 cab (Celestion GT-75 modified I think).  Super bright and harsh.

 

Things that made it better...

- Helix preamp only models

- Turn the presence down on the real amp

- Using my Celstion V30 cab (darker speaker)

 

For my tastes, I found Helix more agreeable with my 6L6 based amps and V30 speakers in general.

you say that you turned down your presence on your Marshall, in order to do that you would have had to plugged into the front of the head right? These units are made to use the 4 wire setup, you use your fx send/recieve from your helix and go straight to the power amp bypassing the Marshall's pre-amp. Hope I understoop what your wrote correctly, if this is so read a vid on the 4 cable/wire setup and try your Mesa/.Marshall that way you may be pleased :-)

 

[roscoe5]

On 5/19/2018 at 8:48 PM, leadplayer420 said:

you say that you turned down your presence on your Marshall, in order to do that you would have had to plugged into the front of the head right? These units are made to use the 4 wire setup, you use your fx send/recieve from your helix and go straight to the power amp bypassing the Marshall's pre-amp. Hope I understoop what your wrote correctly, if this is so read a vid on the 4 cable/wire setup and try your Mesa/.Marshall that way you may be pleased :-)

 

 

On the Mesa Stiletto, as well as some other tube amps I've owned, the Presence knob actually controls the power amp section.  This is helpful with Helix.

 

You do not have to go into the preamp of the real amp to test (4cm, etc.).   1/4" from Helix out to amp effects return is all that is needed.

 

I ran live this way for a time for simplicity.  The Helix pres were as nearly as good, or better in some cases than my Stiletto pres live.

 

 

[willjrock]

On 5/18/2018 at 8:18 AM, brue58ski said:

 

Well...my comments had nothing to do with having a different opinion on anything. The poster I was referencing was rude and made personal comments toward someone. Not an opinion on the topic at hand. That is what I addressed and why I quoted him specifically. . Not an opinion of it.  Exactly what I believe you are saying you were referring to. I, in no way, addressed the topic nor an opinion either way on it, or anything else. I thought that was obvious. So I would say that my post was no example at all of what you say you were addressing. As an example of that, it was a misguided one at best.

And again. I realize you say you weren't speaking about/to me specifically but when you quote a poster, it's my understanding that the reason for doing that is to make clear whom a poster is specifically responding/refering to. If you want to move on, move on. But as long as you keep quoting me, which I take to mean you are addressing me specifically, I will continue to respond. I mean you've quoted me in the last couple of posts. It was because you were addressing me specifically wasn't it? So you're not ignorant to the purpose of quoting someone. You quoted me first, which generally means you are talking to me specifically. You didn't say here's an example of what I'm talking about (which it wasn't an example of anyway). So I responded to someone who was talking to me. Or at least was giving all the signals that they were. I can't read peoples minds. So let's move on, shall we? Or we can continue to chat. All the same to me.

 

 

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it's my understanding that the reason for doing that is to make clear whom a poster is specifically responding/refering to.

Theres no single reason to do anything. Youve never upvoted someones post as confirmation that you saw it?

 

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The rudeness nastiness and namecalling is what I spoke to

Exactly, Reply to the topic. Poor comments are a dime a dozen. If its one post, two posts, its easy to move past.  You arent going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering.

 

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So I would say that my post was no example at all of what you say you were addressing. 

Actually, Its a perfect example...and the fact that you wont let it die underscores my point even further.

A) OPs post and topic

B) poor comment

C) You attempting to straighten out poor commenter  

D) backandforth backandforth backandforth 

E) Time to move on.

[brue58ski]

4 hours ago, willjrock said:

 

 

1) Theres no single reason to do anything. Youve never upvoted someones post as confirmation that you saw it?

 

2) Exactly, Reply to the topic. Poor comments are a dime a dozen. If its one post, two posts, its easy to move past.  You arent going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering.

 

3) Actually, Its a perfect example...and the fact that you wont let it die underscores my point even further.

A) OPs post and topic

B) poor comment

C) You attempting to straighten out poor commenter  

D) backandforth backandforth backandforth 

E) Time to move on.

 

Ya still wanna beat this horse? OK, I'm game.

1) If there's no single reason to do anything then why are you? And actually no, I've never up or down voted anyone. I've seen those turn into revenge fests and have seen how they can and often are used as "ammo". At least they used to be around here. Not so much anymore but still it happens. So no, never voted anyone up OR down. It got to be hard to tell if the voting had any substance or not.

 

2) None of your posts directed at me had anything to do with the topic. Yet you boldy keep saying to reply to the topic. OK.....You should start doing that. And....

" You aren't going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering"

Isn't that exactly what's going on here? You have been trying to set ME straight. Still are. And you're not letting it die underscores what both you and I've been saying. Every comment you make applies directly to you and your actions as well. You've directly addressed me the whole time by quoting my posts. I'm merely responding to you.

 

3) Your own posts, underscore your point. You're the one that brought this whole discussion to life. It's up to you to let it die.

A) From the start none of your posts that quoted me have been about the OP's post and topic.

B) "Poor comment." I'm not sure what you mean by that. That my comment was poor? So far I think that about all of your posts quoting me. But those would just be our opinions. If that's not what you're saying then I'm stumped.

C) That's exactly what you're trying to do to me.

D) This particular back and forth was started by you quoting ME. You say you weren't addressing me but you did so by quoting my post!! You sound like a politician. And let's not forget. I was actually defending the original poster from some nasty comments directed at him. I was on the OP's side. What's wrong with that? You should have commented on the poster I was quoting if you truly believe what you say. You called me first. I just answered.

E)Time to move on? Then why don't you? Again, you "called" me. I just answered. And will continue to do so if you keep "calling" me. It's up to you. Not me. You want this to end? Stop "calling me". And don't "call" me and in your "call", tell me not to answer. You don't have that power and never will. This is totally up to you. So if it's time to move on then do so. Or, as I said before, we can continue to chat. And I will. I'm "hanging up" now....Click.

[klangmaler]

[cruisinon2]

I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. Eyes front, no talking...;)

[rd2rk]

4 minutes ago, cruisinon2 said:

I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. ;)

 

Please refrain from posting visual proof of the results. We'll take your word for it......

[cruisinon2]

8 minutes ago, rd2rk said:

 

Please refrain from posting visual proof of the results. We'll take your word for it......

 

It's been years since art school, but I was thinking more along the lines of a tasteful artist's rendering in charcoal, or perhaps pastels...;)

[brue58ski]

26 minutes ago, cruisinon2 said:

I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. Eyes front, no talking...;)

 

Got one. Hmmmmmmm...... Are we talking length or width?

[cruisinon2]

4 minutes ago, brue58ski said:

 

Got one. Hmmmmmmm...... Are we talking length or width?

 

Ahh yes... the Eternal Question... lol

 

If all else fails, there's always displacement volume... we just need a pint glass,  a graduated cylinder, and something to catch the overflow. ;)

[willjrock]

On 5/24/2018 at 10:01 AM, brue58ski said:

 

Ya still wanna beat this horse? OK, I'm game.

1) If there's no single reason to do anything then why are you? And actually no, I've never up or down voted anyone. I've seen those turn into revenge fests and have seen how they can and often are used as "ammo". At least they used to be around here. Not so much anymore but still it happens. So no, never voted anyone up OR down. It got to be hard to tell if the voting had any substance or not.

 

2) None of your posts directed at me had anything to do with the topic. Yet you boldy keep saying to reply to the topic. OK.....You should start doing that. And....

" You aren't going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering"

Isn't that exactly what's going on here? You have been trying to set ME straight. Still are. And you're not letting it die underscores what both you and I've been saying. Every comment you make applies directly to you and your actions as well. You've directly addressed me the whole time by quoting my posts. I'm merely responding to you.

 

3) Your own posts, underscore your point. You're the one that brought this whole discussion to life. It's up to you to let it die.

A) From the start none of your posts that quoted me have been about the OP's post and topic.

B) "Poor comment." I'm not sure what you mean by that. That my comment was poor? So far I think that about all of your posts quoting me. But those would just be our opinions. If that's not what you're saying then I'm stumped.

C) That's exactly what you're trying to do to me.

D) This particular back and forth was started by you quoting ME. You say you weren't addressing me but you did so by quoting my post!! You sound like a politician. And let's not forget. I was actually defending the original poster from some nasty comments directed at him. I was on the OP's side. What's wrong with that? You should have commented on the poster I was quoting if you truly believe what you say. You called me first. I just answered.

E)Time to move on? Then why don't you? Again, you "called" me. I just answered. And will continue to do so if you keep "calling" me. It's up to you. Not me. You want this to end? Stop "calling me". And don't "call" me and in your "call", tell me not to answer. You don't have that power and never will. This is totally up to you. So if it's time to move on then do so. Or, as I said before, we can continue to chat. And I will. I'm "hanging up" now....Click.

Nope. told you there was no horse to beat 10 posts ago, yet you just want to continue perpetuating with the last word....but hey,  keep working on your posts for 5 days for the 3 or 4 words im actually reading from it.

 

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I'm "hanging up" now....Click.

l i bet you thought youd sound "real real cool" saying this.

[jmp22684]

I clicked to read about frfr speakers. Lol

 

Hmmmm..... works with the kids: 

"You! Go sit in that corner! And you! Sit in the other and can-it! After 5 minutes I wanna see hugs and apologize or it's to bed without dinner!

 

Ah ah! I said sit. down. and. can-it!

 

Turn around and face the corner damnit!

 

Mom and I are making a drink and don't want to hear a peep now!"

 

 

To wife, "Why did we have kids?!"

[jmp22684]

[brue58ski]

11 hours ago, willjrock said:

Nope. told you there was no horse to beat 10 posts ago, yet you just want to continue perpetuating with the last word....but hey,  keep working on your posts for 5 days for the 3 or 4 words im actually reading from it.

 

l i bet you thought youd sound "real real cool" saying this.

 

Well....You've sure come to a lot of conclusions about me. All of them wrong but that would be par for the course. You never said there was no horse to beat and you were the one that started this "beating". Again, YOU started this, I am merely answering your call. So if you continue to call, that would make you the perpetuator. I'm not sure what makes you think that it took me a long time to craft a post to you. As soon as I saw that you "called" me, I just quickly answered. As I'm doing now. Your posts don't require that much thought to answer. I did respond to all your points though. Perhaps that kind of thing takes you a much longer time to do than me and you just assumed I was just as inept. Nope. Didn't take long at all. And that last little comment. Is that an insult? Well gee golly Mr willj. I guess ya got me reeeal good on that one. Ouch. And actually I wasn't going for cool. Just clever. You should try it sometime. Oh, and........I'm hanging up now. "click".

[rd2rk]

Come on you guys, give us a break! This is a thread about a subject of interest to a lot of people, and you've hijacked it and turned it into a personal pi$$ing contest. Have some respect for the rest of us!

[Robbiekol]

I've been running my helix into the return of my 5150 III to date and have been "ok" with it. No unnecessary tones are added.

 

I went shopping on the weekend for a powercab...a knowledgeable salesman instead turned me to a Bose L1 Compact. I ended up renting the unit for the next month.

 

My first stab at it and the sound was amazingly good, well dispersed, no ear piercing noise if you stand directly in front of it, lots of volume. I'm jamming with it on Friday so I will see how it fits with the other superamps and drums but I have high hopes and dont regret it so far....even though I just rented.

 

Bose L1 Compact at Sweetwater

 

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/L1Compact--bose-l1-compact-system

 

 

 

 

[fusian]

Has anyone got some experience with dB Technologies Flexsys FM8s? A guy at Thomann recommended them to be (actually he recommended the 10 but he said a couple of 8s might work too)

[atexx]

Any FRFR to headset options.

[cruisinon2]

12 hours ago, atexx said:

Any FRFR to headset options.

 

It's that a question? And if so, what exactly are you asking? 

[caledoneus]

You can actually get away with using your tube amp, but you have to make sure you are not using any Cab or Amp+cab blocks in the signal chain, then just connect your output into the FX loop return and use the master volume as your "power" amp.  I'm doing that right now until I can afford to get me a FRFR type speaker set up to use.  Works pretty well honestly, but if you forget to delete (or bypass) the cab block, it will sound bad.  

 

Guitar -> Helix with no cabinet modeling turned on -> FX Return of the amp = Win!

[spikey]

On 5/24/2018 at 12:49 PM, cruisinon2 said:

I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. Eyes front, no talking...;)

 

Guess what he does with the tape measure he hehe hehehehehe... ; )

[dgtr890]

On 4/24/2018 at 2:50 PM, GeeTah said:

I have four different FRFR Solutions and - depending on the venue size - one of these works. BTW, all my patches are stereo which was based on my old 2 amp and pedal board rig. In all case with the Helix, I send the XLR outs to FOH and the quarter inch out to the FRFR

 

Option 1 - Large venues - Mission Gemini 2. Extremely accurate reproduction, works in stereo - large footprint and weighs 75lbs. 

What would you consider a large venue? Stage or Room size.

 

[GeeTah]

44 minutes ago, dgtr said:

What would you consider a large venue? Stage or Room size.

 

 

Generally any stage larger than 30x20 with room capacity of 1,000 or more. Casinos are a good example. Here's an image of me and my Gemini 2 in action recently. 

[glideman]

2 hours ago, GeeTah said:

 

Generally any stage larger than 30x20 with room capacity of 1,000 or more. Casinos are a good example. Here's an image of me and my Gemini 2 in action recently. 

 

Gemini 2 will light your @$$ up, won't it? Hehehe.  I have had the cops called on me when having a mega volume jam at the house!!!

 

Barely have to get it cooking at a typical gig!

[GeeTah]

4 hours ago, glideman said:

 

Gemini 2 will light your @$$ up, won't it? Hehehe.  I have had the cops called on me when having a mega volume jam at the house!!!

 

Barely have to get it cooking at a typical gig!

 

True!!! 

[kane21014]

Hey any recommendations on a FRFR Speaker (Diy CAB) to Push with a 30 Watt Orange Terror without much Gain as i use the HX Stomp to color the sound. The reason i need high sens. and low wattage is i power the Orange Via Battery Bank for portability.

[rd2rk]

2 hours ago, kane21014 said:

Hey any recommendations on a FRFR Speaker (Diy CAB) to Push with a 30 Watt Orange Terror without much Gain as i use the HX Stomp to color the sound. The reason i need high sens. and low wattage is i power the Orange Via Battery Bank for portability.

 

Any PA speaker/monitor should be FRFR.

There's no such thing as FRFR.

All modern POWERED PA speakers claim to be FRFR. They're not.

Since you want an UN-powered FRFR, you have thousands of options, none of which are FRFR.

Whoever says "use this or that 'cause it sounds GREAT!" is giving you an opinion. YMWV.

MY suggestion is to forget about FRFR. You're using an Orange amp, you obviously like the sound of Orange amps. Get an Orange guitar cab. Done deal.

OR - sell the Orange amp and get a proper "FRFR" powered cab to use with the HXS.

HUNDREDS of threads here and on TGP with THOUSANDS of OPINIONS on which one is best.

I use a Powercab PC112+ and/or a Headrush FRFR112. PC112+=pricey but sounds good and optimally flexible with HXS; FRFR112=cheap and sounds good.

Used together, the sum is greater than the parts.

FWIW - you'd be better off starting a new thread than reviving a nasty old zombie thread.

[PiFromBRC]

On 4/29/2018 at 8:19 PM, HonestOpinion said:

 

As the first user I have seen on the forum who reports having one of these, what do you prefer about the Headrush over the Alto TS210? Some folks have speculated that the Headrush appeared to be a repackaged Alto so I am genuinely curious as to what you like about the Headrush. I know there are differences in the specs but I am more curious about what you prefer regarding the end result. At a $299 price point they do have some appeal.

 

I bought a pair of them and after some serious tweaking I love them.  They're not good right out of can, way too bassy, but I took a week or so messing with the EQ in my downloaded tones and my custom builds and I'm perfectly happy with them.  YMMV.

[vbaranowski]

I know this is an old thread but here is my take for amp in the room feel and tone.

Let me start by saying I have the Helix Rack and separate foot control.

I didn’t want the separate speaker amp solution like the mission or headrush/Alto units (Both of which I have tried) I went with the rack mount amp and separate speaker cab idea, just seams much neater and the rack on top of the cabinet seems more logical to me( My Opinion).

The Amp is the Koch ATR-4502 which is a stereo rack mount init 1U.

And the Cabinet is a Ritter camper 212 again this is a stereo unit 2x12.

The sound and tone is pretty much what you get through headphones straight off the Helix except it’s in the room of course.

The Amp is 45 watts per channel so is monstrous loud if you need it.

 

[Paulzx]

On 4/24/2018 at 7:54 PM, rd2rk said:

 

I had been using an Alto TS210, which sounded OK. I just got the Headrush 112, sounds MUCH better. If the money becomes available, I intend to try the new L6 speaker for comparison.

 

 

 

 

I've got those Alto speakers too, just out of interest when you say the headrush is a lot better, how would you define the difference? I use a lot of high gain tones and if there was a speaker solution that transformed those tones then I would be interested, but it depends obviously what the nature of the improvement is

[rd2rk]

1 hour ago, Paulzx said:

 

I've got those Alto speakers too, just out of interest when you say the headrush is a lot better, how would you define the difference? I use a lot of high gain tones and if there was a speaker solution that transformed those tones then I would be interested, but it depends obviously what the nature of the improvement is

 

I can't really define the difference. It's just better for guitar. The FRFR112 was then relegated to bass amp duties when I got a PC112+, which then got traded for a PC212+.

I'm finally really happy with my sound.

[steve_rolfeca]

On 6/4/2018 at 2:46 PM, Robbiekol said:

I've been running my helix into the return of my 5150 III to date and have been "ok" with it. No unnecessary tones are added.

 

I went shopping on the weekend for a powercab...a knowledgeable salesman instead turned me to a Bose L1 Compact. I ended up renting the unit for the next month.

 

My first stab at it and the sound was amazingly good, well dispersed, no ear piercing noise if you stand directly in front of it, lots of volume. I'm jamming with it on Friday so I will see how it fits with the other superamps and drums but I have high hopes and dont regret it so far....even though I just rented.

 

Bose L1 Compact at Sweetwater

 

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/L1Compact--bose-l1-compact-system

 

 

 

 

I ran the original, first-gen L1 for years. Had to use a more efficient sub with it in order to accommodate my 5-string basses, but it was a terrific experience. It seemed almost room-independent.

So much clarity, and near 180-degree dispersion. No complaints from people in the centre front row about getting a haircut from the treble, no-one talking about mushy sound off to the sides.

Plus, for monitoring purposes, it was like wearing a giant pair of studio headphones.

[steve_rolfeca]

On 3/16/2021 at 9:05 AM, Paulzx said:

 

I've got those Alto speakers too, just out of interest when you say the headrush is a lot better, how would you define the difference? I use a lot of high gain tones and if there was a speaker solution that transformed those tones then I would be interested, but it depends obviously what the nature of the improvement is

The Alto TS2 series had smaller power amps and different drivers. 1100W peak, 550W rms.

At the time they were released, the Headrush FRFR-108 and 112 were the new, improved version. Thus the original claims of improved performance. Roughly double the available power, although I imagine that the DSP caps that to suit the drivers in each model. For instance, I highly doubt that the 8" woofer in the FRFR-108 is capable of handling 1000W, peak OR rms.

My understanding is that if you want a direct, apples-to-apples comparison, you need to compare the 12" Headrush with the later Alto TS312.

Here in Canada, there is a small but proportionate increase in the MSRP of the TS312 relative to the Headrush, presumably because of the addition of the mic pre.

Also, a PA dealer up here posted a YouTube comparison between the Headrush 112 and Alto 312, using a guitarist and bassist as test dummies. The Headrush was definitely hotter initially, but that could just be a  different calibration on the sweep of the pot.
 

 

[Psyfer138]

Could be you didn't disable or bypass cabs? The IRs and Cabs most often only function properly with Frfr speakers. Only have an Amp on, not Amp + Cab, definitely no Cab on. 

 

Other than that, are you running direct to front of Amp, using effects loop, or only power Amp in? 

[caledoneus]

I'd suggest checking out the Line6 Powercabs.  They are great for the Helix!

[trugamer]

On 4/25/2018 at 12:46 AM, homegrownbuddy said:

RD2RK nailed this one. It's just too subjective in it's current state. The question what is the best FRFR speaker is akin to what is the best FRFR speaker your wallet will allow. There are good FRFR's and really good FRFR'S and then like the $18,000 audiophile FRFR deals that they sell over in Japan. The question in itself should be rewritten to what is the best FRFR I can get for X amount of dollars., then we might be able to be helpful. 

 

So I've been doing research for a few days now...my budget is £1k -1.4k I've had Atomic CLR NEO MK-II suggested also G66 MF10 and also JBL EON612 and the JBL SRX812P 12"

 

Atomics have been suggested are amazing for gigging, but for the extra 350ish how much better wiill the JBL SRX812P 12" be. Please feel free to suggest any other speakers in my price range that would do the trick. I'm sure there are tons of speakers that will really drive home a brilliant sound, so I'm not going to fart arse around TOO MUCH, but there more I know the better!

 

Thanks